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Old 04-01-2015, 06:09 PM
 
Location: Myrtle Creek, Oregon
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I agree with some of this, like the early boomers being fine, but mess halls and mass institutions? I don't see that happening.
Yes, the poor farm system that we used to have was overwhelmed by the Great Depression and all the poor farms closed. Building facilities and administration ate the budget, leaving little for the poor. Our current system of direct support payments is much more efficient.
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Old 04-02-2015, 04:14 PM
 
Location: North Idaho
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Food for thought on this article's conclusion statement:



The American people are clueless: Why income inequality is so much worse than we realize - Salon.com

Some interesting tidbits from the article



So how do we wake up?
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Since they require two generations of data, the studies also omit immigrants, whose upward movement has long been considered an American strength. “If America is so poor in economic mobility, maybe someone should tell all these people who still want to come to the U.S.,” said Stuart M. Butler, an analyst at the Heritage Foundation.

Perhaps a cause of our greater inequality is that our economy enable some to achieve more, where in other countries people are limited:
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The income compression in rival countries may also make them seem more mobile. Reihan Salam, a writer for The Daily and National Review Online, has calculated that a Danish family can move from the 10th percentile to the 90th percentile with $45,000 of additional earnings, while an American family would need an additional $93,000.

In the middle 3 quintiles there is still good mobility, so the real issue seems to be at the extreme lower and upper quintiles:
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Even by measures of relative mobility, Middle America remains fluid. About 36 percent of Americans raised in the middle fifth move up as adults, while 23 percent stay on the same rung and 41 percent move down, according to Pew research. The “stickiness” appears at the top and bottom, as affluent families transmit their advantages and poor families stay trapped.

Here is an important clue about the root cause of much poverty:
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Poor Americans are also more likely than foreign peers to grow up with single mothers.
Dave
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Old 04-02-2015, 07:28 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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But it is government's job to make sure government does not make people unequal.
Not true and not government's doing or issue.
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Old 04-02-2015, 07:35 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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The government standard of poverty is so flawed, and the vast majority of workers are covered by Social Security, that there shouldn't even be 4 million seniors at poverty level.

The most I have earned in a year is $17K, and I am on track to receive a Social Security benefit GREATER than poverty level. So it seems difficult for me to see why anyone with a consistent work history should retire in official poverty.

Having said that, the government definition of poverty says nothing about a person's actual standard of living, e.g. a poor free-and-clear homeowner with only $11K of Social Security is probably considerably better off than a non-poor renter with $12K of Social Security.
Following you many posts on issues such as this, you have been mostly a freeloader by choice and seem to feel that the country owes you a living. I've worked hard all my life and owe you nothing. End of story!
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Old 04-02-2015, 08:14 PM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Not true and not government's doing or issue.
Agreed. Perhaps ensuring relatively "equal freedom and opportunity" should be more like it. But nobody should be more "entitled"… rich or poor.
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Old 04-02-2015, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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Yes, the poor farm system that we used to have was overwhelmed by the Great Depression and all the poor farms closed. Building facilities and administration ate the budget, leaving little for the poor. Our current system of direct support payments is much more efficient.
And barring a dry up in those payments, there is largely a minimum floor most people cannot fall through.
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