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Old 04-04-2015, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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You don't have to cool it down to penguin temps, but at least lets keep it 75F tops.
Those are penguin temps.
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Old 04-04-2015, 08:19 PM
 
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Where I live we have had such in hurricanes. They are all evacuated out of area and each has plan and contracts to move. Worse cases are flown out two day prior. Seen it done two times. In fact entire county is evacuated ;last 92 %. No deaths except one after from portable generation miss use. In minor electrical outage the power company has generators for those medically needing them; they deliver thru 211 call. You call and in next day they are delivered and setup. If power stays out that long. Its all dependent on your local emergency management.
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Old 04-04-2015, 08:33 PM
 
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No matter how much you give people, some will complain that it's not enough. I, too am tired of the "corporate welfare" excuse used for the entitlement attitude of ordinary people. Two wrongs don't make a right.

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Old 04-04-2015, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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Did you even read the OP? The issue is air conditioning the hallways, not the actual apartments in which people live. Every time you encounter someone complaining about a waste of money, you bring up "corporate welfare", which is simply off-topic in this thread. According to that logic, no one could ever discuss wasteful expenditures of money as long as you have an allegedly greater waste to bring up.
Every time someone starts whining about a few amenities that low-income seniors are receiving, it's good to be reminded where the bulk of our taxes are going. Context is everything. Yes, I read the OP.
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:25 PM
 
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Seriously - telling people to stay in their apartments if the hallway is too hot? REALLY?
What's wrong with that? Here in the sunbelt it's modus operandi to advise seniors to stay indoors (i.e. in their living quarters) during hot spells. Commonly, subsidized senior independent living apartments here open to the outside, with no corridor, and temps outside their apartments are often above 100 during the height of summer. It's called a "heat advisory".
Seniors who are too infirm/impaired to tolerate extreme temps for a few minutes at a time belong in assisted living, not in subsidized independent living.

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You don't have to cool it down to penguin temps, but at least lets keep it 75F tops.
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Those are penguin temps.
Yep. It'd be silly to keep a hallway frigid. During the dog days we set our AC at 80-82, and that's plenty comfortable for extended daily activities.

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An 80 year old with COPD and congestive heart failure, using a walker and on oxygen,
… should be in an assisted living center, not a subsidized 55+ independent living apartment complex.
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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Those are penguin temps.
Oh good grief. And I get accused of splitting hairs. Now we haggle over what the temps the hallways should be in senior high-rises that have 8 or more floors and what that's going to do to the federal budget.
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:38 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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Yep. It'd be silly to keep a hallway frigid.
I don't think anyone here is recommending "frigid." My own central air unit allows moderate temps without it even being cold in here. Taking the heat out of suffocatingly hot upper floor hallways is really not going to be a big deal, other than being a help for those who have to negotiate long hallways (like my MIL on her walker in a senior high-rise), wait for elevators, and breathe when they have respiratory problems. Would it really cost more than heating those hallways in winter?
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:46 PM
 
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Who in the world thinks 75 is "frigid" ?

I am considered frugal but my heat is set on 72 in winter and the AC at 75 in summer.
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Old 04-04-2015, 09:48 PM
 
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I don't think anyone here is recommending "frigid." My own central air unit allows moderate temps without it even being cold in here.
??I think we're talking a snow-belt vs sun-belt mentality here.
In much of the country, 75 degrees in hallways in the heat of the summer IS considered frigid, and it would be hard to justify providing that amenity for federally-subsidized living.

If the hallway temp stays at 85-90+ temp for extended period of time, there is likely an issue in that the building overall is insufficiently insulated and cooled. Still, any senior who has an impairment that won't tolerate 85-90 degrees for 10-15 minutes should be in a more restrictive environment than an independent living facility.

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I am considered frugal but my heat is set on 72 in winter and the AC at 75 in summer.
We're not talking living quarters here, we're talking about areas that persons pass through. Comfort is one thing, necessity is another.
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Old 04-04-2015, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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Perhaps the anger of these tenants is that this owner, who is getting paid market rent subsidies from the government, is not providing the services the government expects for it's money.

That would be your money, right?

I've never lived anywhere in hot weather where there was no air conditioning in the hallways and the offices. I couldn't imagine living in such a place. These seniors aren't wanting better conditions than the average bear, it sounds to me like they just want normal conditions.

In CA, there must be a manager who lives on site if a building has 16 or more units.

I also can't imagine these seniors coming up with an anger problem over power outtages, if it hasn't been a problem.

Wouldn't you complain if you lived somewhere where there were power outtages? And especially, if you needed power to stay alive? You really think it makes more sense to send them off to the emergency room every time there's an outtage? Wouldn't that cost the city/county money? Raise your health care costs? Waste more of "your" money?

It's quite possible these tenants want the owner to give the government it's money's worth. Let the owner pay for the a/c and fix the power issues.

BTW, the subsidized senior housing apts I've lived in in CA (two so far) all coordinate meetings for us with all different types of govt and health care services. In fact, someone from the food bank comes here every Saturday and drops off food for us, so the seniors who can't get out will have some of the free food, too.

So, these things that are being requested by these seniors, are things that are completely normal and expected to be provided by the owners of these buildings - in other parts of the country. It's expected of the owners of these buildings to provide these things, in order to receive govt subsidies of market rent.

I think you should go to the meetings with these seniors, OP, and demand that this owner provide market rate level apartments with the money they are receiving to subsidize the rents of these seniors - from the government. Go demand to get your money's worth.

Because the one who appears to be greedy and entitled in this picture, from where I sit (knowing how subsidized housing owners and managers get paid), is the owner taking govt funds and not providing decent housing with the money.
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