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Old 04-20-2015, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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I transferred within the company I was working at to another branch in the Puget Sound. I then arranged over the phone to rent an apartment before I moved and sent a check (couldn't do that today). The cost was prohibitive. It was almost $1500 for first, last, and security to rent the apartment. It cost $800 to rent the U-Haul and trailer to pull my truck and then so much per mile, I can't remember exactly what. Fortunately, gas wasn't nearly as high then as it is now. A motel room for one night was actually reasonable and I ate cheap.

I figured I spent between $2500 and $2800 moving. That's a lot of money and I'm glad I had it when I needed it. I moved because my rent went up from $450/month to $800/month, just like that. It wasn't the job so much as the lower rents that I moved for.

Moving is expensive and if you don't have a job, a place to live, relatives or friends to help you out when you get there, or money enough to tide you over for a while, it's very difficult to relocate.
I agree deposits get expensive and make it difficult for people to move. Renting will often tie you up more than you expect.

In this case, what choice did you really have? After a year, you would have paid more in rent increases than you did in moving expenses.

Working people really shouldn't move without a job in today's economy unless you have a year's expenses saved up. I've moved with a job twice, and got an extended stay hotel. This will allow you to not move in sight unseen.

Does it take money and is an aggravation? Yes, but in some cases you have to get the funds however you can and just jump in.
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Old 04-20-2015, 01:53 PM
 
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Why is it unbelievable? If trying to better yourself causes you to be worse off than before, what lesson do you learn?

Cliffs don't make sense. Gradual declines are a better way to go.
Exactly. Phase-outs, not cliffs.
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Old 04-20-2015, 02:02 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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BZZT! I'm not allowed to apply a tax refund to anything because the Dept of Education applies it to student loans.
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It's certainly the drunk's fault that he gets drunk, has anger issues, has not worked a day in years, unpredictably goes on drunken rages, engages in domestic violence and creates an environment where everyone tries to avoid him as much as possible.

It's not my fault I was raised by drunks and druggies, and have issues dealing with angry drunks.
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Jobs were regionally scarce when I graduated, Upon graduation, I lost my on-campus janitor job and literally could not afford to relocate.to an area with jobs.
Wow! Three-for-three excuses all in a row. Well done. Bravo!

Unreal, and I mean that literally.
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Old 04-20-2015, 02:08 PM
 
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He forgot the dog ate my alarm clock
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Old 04-20-2015, 02:20 PM
 
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I didn't say anything about Dave. My post wasn't about Dave. I do not resent Dave. The discussion had moved on to a more generalized level.
It applies equally to others though, doesn't it? We don't know the details about John Smith or Jane Jones either.
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Old 04-20-2015, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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It applies equally to others though, doesn't it? We don't know the details about John Smith or Jane Jones either.
No, it doesn't apply equally to others because there are some others about whom I do know the details, such as relatives about my own age (cousins) whom I have known for a lifetime. Other posters have also written about people they knew personally, to illustrate both sides of the coin - the "There but for the grace of God go I" side, and the "life-long freeloading and refusal to be productive" side.

You seem to be saying that we cannot judge because we do not know enough, and of course in many cases that is true. But it is not true in all cases.

Do you like to argue for its own sake, or is there something else going on here?
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Old 04-20-2015, 02:55 PM
 
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No, it doesn't apply equally to others because there are some others about whom I do know the details, such as relatives about my own age (cousins) whom I have known for a lifetime. Other posters have also written about people they knew personally, to illustrate both sides of the coin - the "There but for the grace of God go I" side, and the "life-long freeloading and refusal to be productive" side.

You seem to be saying that we cannot judge because we do not know enough, and of course in many cases that is true. But it is not true in all cases.

Do you like to argue for its own sake, or is there something else going on here?
Yes, I can think of a few people I know well enough IRL to feel comfortable in my assessment that they are "moochers". I don't doubt that the system is abused by some "moochers". However, I don't feel that this means everyone receiving benefits must be manipulating the system somehow to get something for nothing. I also don't feel that I am missing out by not doing the same. To the contrary, I feel that I am better off for relying on myself, and I don't mean just financially.

I'm not arguing at all, I'm discussing. If I didn't enjoy discussing various topics, I would not be here.
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Old 04-20-2015, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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Cliffs don't make sense. Gradual declines are a better way to go.
By far the most sensible solution isuniversal basic benefits, income, healthcare, school. Universal means everyone gets it. Not as much as the "Dave" in this thread's example, but enough to live in semi-comfortable poverty. People can then earn and spend as they like, and supplement their basic benefits if they wish. No need for the government's micro managing means tested programs.
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Old 04-20-2015, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Cochise County, AZ
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Universal basic benefits...sorry but that seems like a form of communism to me.
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Old 04-20-2015, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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Universal basic benefits...sorry but that seems like a form of communism to me.
No, not really. There are some pretty smart people who are not "communists" who are working on universal healthcare. Oh no!!!
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