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Yeah and as I said in my initial post I don't mean to be dogging teachers. Again nobody works harder and is more valuable to our society than a dedicated teacher and 90% of them are extremely dedicated. So thank you for what you did all those years.
I can still name my elementary school teachers 50 years later. It must be pretty cool to have a job where so many people will remember your name for the rest of their lives. I can hear them now: "For first grade I had Miss Abdil, 2nd grade was Mr. Rider, 3rd grade..."
But back to the topic is it not possible for most teachers to teach summer school? Again an opportunity to earn more than the published reports and as well know teaching summer school is not a 40 hour week, plenty of time to still go to the pool or play golf while the rest of us are working. And while I understand you paid into the system for your benefits the rest of us pay in too, at a much higher rate for benefits that stop the minute we walk out the door for the last time in most cases.
Speaking of teachers, is not true that some school districts require teachers to take classes every so many years? I know this is (used to be?) the case with the Omaha School District.
Yeah and as I said in my initial post I don't mean to be dogging teachers. Again nobody works harder and is more valuable to our society than a dedicated teacher and 90% of them are extremely dedicated. So thank you for what you did all those years.
I can still name my elementary school teachers 50 years later. It must be pretty cool to have a job where so many people will remember your name for the rest of their lives. I can hear them now: "For first grade I had Miss Abdil, 2nd grade was Mr. Rider, 3rd grade..."
But back to the topic is it not possible for most teachers to teach summer school? Again an opportunity to earn more than the published reports and as well know teaching summer school is not a 40 hour week, plenty of time to still go to the pool or play golf while the rest of us are working. And while I understand you paid into the system for your benefits the rest of us pay in too, at a much higher rate for benefits that stop the minute we walk out the door for the last time in most cases.
Thank you for your words of thanks. As to the bolded, no, "most" teachers cannot teach in summer school because the summer school offerings are restricted, i.e., most students do not attend summer school, hence there is no demand for a full complement of teachers. But obviously a certain number of teachers do in fact teach summer school, and it's a fairly decent gig, as you say.
As to paying for benefits "at a much higher rate" in the private sector, that is so variable that I don't know how we can come to a conclusion on it one way or the other. Which private sector job? Which school district? I don't even know the average rate that I paid over my 34 years, as I never paid much attention; my deductions were just what they were and I didn't obsess about them.
Back to summer school. Even though I retired 10 years ago, I still teach chess classes every summer in an enrichment summer school run by a non-profit foundation. Five weeks, four days a week, classes from 8 to 12 noon - hardly a difficult work schedule. The pay this summer was $38/hour. Fine by me because I don't need or care about the money (in fact the last three summers I've been donating it back), but a lawyer, doctor, or CPA would consider that permanent underclass wages.
Speaking of teachers, is not true that some school districts require teachers to take classes every so many years? I know this is (used to be?) the case with the Omaha School District.
I would guess that it's a state-wide requirement, not an individual school district requirement. Most states issue teaching credentials on a state-wide basis. That's the case in California.
Here the answer is yes, most teachers need to take classes every so many years. I say "most" because California used to issue "lifetime" credentials a long time ago. I got mine in 1969 or 1970 and so I never had to take classes to keep it valid. I don't remember when they stopped issuing the lifetime credentials, but they did honor the ones already issued. The situation can be different in every state.
Most school districts electe for their benefit to pay teachers for 10 mo of work over 12 months--
so a salary is for X number of teaching days---principals and other admin staff have more days--jobs like custodians and trades that work for the district full time (HVAC, plumbers, landscaping...if those haven't been contracted out to 3rd parties) are usually full tme with vacation taken mandatory at Christmas...
so teachers are paid for the days they WORK--
Most school districts electe for their benefit to pay teachers for 10 mo of work over 12 months--
so a salary is for X number of teaching days---principals and other admin staff have more days--jobs like custodians and trades that work for the district full time (HVAC, plumbers, landscaping...if those haven't been contracted out to 3rd parties) are usually full tme with vacation taken mandatory at Christmas...
so teachers are paid for the days they WORK--
That's a philosophical issue and one can look at it various ways. The way I always looked at it was that I was given an annual salary for teaching during the regular school year (summers not included). And yes, the number of work days was known in advance, so in a sense we were paid for X number of days. Some school districts divide that annual salary into 12 and issue checks every month, which leads some people to conclude that teachers are "paid" for their time off in the summer. That is not true really, because the district could just as well issue 10 checks instead of 12, and the total amount of earnings would be exactly the same (the total gross salary divided either by 10 or by 12). For my entire 34 years, I got ten checks a year. Some teachers complained that it caused them to struggle financially over the summer, but my opinion was that if we were truly adults, then we would just plan accordingly and we would be fine. I always planned accordingly and I was always just fine.
Thank you for your words of thanks. As to the bolded, no, "most" teachers cannot teach in summer school because the summer school offerings are restricted, i.e., most students do not attend summer school, hence there is no demand for a full complement of teachers. But obviously a certain number of teachers do in fact teach summer school, and it's a fairly decent gig, as you say.
As to paying for benefits "at a much higher rate" in the private sector, that is so variable that I don't know how we can come to a conclusion on it one way or the other. Which private sector job? Which school district? I don't even know the average rate that I paid over my 34 years, as I never paid much attention; my deductions were just what they were and I didn't obsess about them.
Back to summer school. Even though I retired 10 years ago, I still teach chess classes every summer in an enrichment summer school run by a non-profit foundation. Five weeks, four days a week, classes from 8 to 12 noon - hardly a difficult work schedule. The pay this summer was $38/hour. Fine by me because I don't need or care about the money (in fact the last three summers I've been donating it back), but a lawyer, doctor, or CPA would consider that permanent underclass wages.
Yeah I get it summer jobs are limited but from what I understand most teachers decline as do students for obvious reason. But yeah, I guess it's not obvious that it's there for every teacher.
As for your last paragraph we're not comparing teachers to lawyers, just comparing them to 'embarrassing" status.
10 mo vs 12 mo pay was never an option for any district I taught in--12 mo was only way.
It was an easier way for the district to manage money and for benefits like insurance that covers members for 12 months vs just 10 working ones...
But there is no confusion about the math behind how salaries are calculated.
In my state--TX--the legislature votes on number of paid days for various types of educational employees and state contribution to salaries. Districts can subsidize/increase base pay. There have been issues in past about extending school requirements for inservice days and Sking teachers to work beyond those dsys-- like help w registration at begining of school yesr w/o pay. That is now illegal.
And summer school is very competitive in my district.
The per diem is higher than regular school term and most who apply cant work both terms--the district lets u share both semesters w/another teacher-- so you alternate days or you work every day full semester.
But guess that varies by fistrict/state
I'm in my early 50's and work in a job where they don't take out Social Security (it's a semi-government agency). However, we won't get pensions. They just contribute to a 401k type of plan.
My SS records online show zero's for the years I've worked for this company. It also looks like I only have 20 years of income that are above the threshold (which I think means under WEP I'd get 40% of what would have been my SS amount).
Does anyone know if it would only pensions that offset Social Security payments under WEP, or would other accounts provided by an employer in place of Social Security do the same? What if the account was small and wouldn't last very long (where pensions should be ongoing, vs. this one which would run out the same way a 401k would). I had no idea about any of this (thought my years at this company just didn't count towards Social Security ) until a different post tonight on Citi-Data led me to this one, so thank you.
I'm in my early 50's and work in a job where they don't take out Social Security (it's a semi-government agency). However, we won't get pensions. They just contribute to a 401k type of plan.
My SS records online show zero's for the years I've worked for this company. It also looks like I only have 20 years of income that are above the threshold (which I think means under WEP I'd get 40% of what would have been my SS amount).
Does anyone know if it would only pensions that offset Social Security payments under WEP, or would other accounts provided by an employer in place of Social Security do the same?What if the account was small and wouldn't last very long (where pensions should be ongoing, vs. this one which would run out the same way a 401k would). I had no idea about any of this (thought my years at this company just didn't count towards Social Security ) until a different post tonight on Citi-Data led me to this one, so thank you.
Sections A.3 and D of this SSA webpage may answer these questions.
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) until a different post tonight on Citi-Data led me to this one, so thank you.
