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Old 04-09-2015, 08:11 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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When the wife and I started looking for a retirement town in the south, I couldn't care less about the racial mix of the town.

However, I will not tolerate crime being an every day happening.

But after researching hundreds upon hundreds of southern communities via city-data detailed profile I soon learned race and crime had a direct correlation.

It got so I could look a town up and the racial makeup of that town came first. By the percentage of blacks I already could guess the crime rate which came up later.

That statistic ( racial make up ) was more accurate than the median income statistic or percent of people in poverty.

Yes, there are exceptions, but my observance was accurate in over 90% of the towns I researched on city-data.
Yes, the poverty-crime connection is indisputable. Unstable communities from poverty are not likely places for people posting here, though. Those who wish to avoid an all-white retirement location can find more diverse communities that are relatively stable and secure. Crime is everywhere, with meth even in communities you'd never associate with poverty and crime.
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Old 04-09-2015, 08:25 PM
 
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I think over time one gets to know the people they have things with in common. In my area its not just by race but by choices. I am too old to put up with those I would be in conflict with.I moved three years go and now know I picked right; great neighbors. To heck with the anything else.
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Old 04-09-2015, 10:32 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Cultural diversity is because of ethnic and racial diversity. Your first sentence doesn't go with the rest.
Think of a black person that you went to school with. Now think of the Swedish exchange student. Who adds more diversity to your group. One is another color but mostly the same. One is the same color but different in so many different ways. I feel that ethnic diversity leads to cultural diversity so much more than race.

My 98% white retirement community has people from about 55 different countries. If we replaced all of those people with American blacks do you think we would be more diverse? I don't. We have blacks from Africa that make us more diverse because with them it is more than skin color.

I really don't think that a white and black from the average American cities are all that diverse. Outside of people at one extreme or the other of any economic measurement there isn't that much difference. You will only get that by ethnicity.
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Old 04-10-2015, 04:14 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Think of a black person that you went to school with. Now think of the Swedish exchange student. Who adds more diversity to your group. One is another color but mostly the same. One is the same color but different in so many different ways. I feel that ethnic diversity leads to cultural diversity so much more than race.

My 98% white retirement community has people from about 55 different countries. If we replaced all of those people with American blacks do you think we would be more diverse? I don't. We have blacks from Africa that make us more diverse because with them it is more than skin color.

I really don't think that a white and black from the average American cities are all that diverse. Outside of people at one extreme or the other of any economic measurement there isn't that much difference. You will only get that by ethnicity.
One of the best posts I have read on City-Data for a long time. You chose an apt user name for City-Data, thinkalot.

As a nation we have become so blinded by political correctness that we think there is some special magic and virtue in having a mixture of skin colors around us, be it in the neighborhood or in the workplace. In my work life for the past 50 years, I have always had "diversity" (both in its real sense and in its more limited sense of skin colors), so to me diversity is just a given hardly worthy of discussion in a thread. Where I live currently we have whiles, Hispanics, and Chinese in approximately equal numbers, with a smaller number of blacks. I find myself comfortable in both all black and all white environments. Make that all Hispanic environments too. I have spent more than negligible time in each, although being white, I have spent more time in all white environments, especially during my childhood in the 1950's.
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Old 04-10-2015, 04:22 AM
 
Location: Between the Alps and the North Sea
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For me it is still a long time before retirement (I am in my late twenties), but when I get there, I hope I will still be surrounded by people who speak the same language as me, believe, think and feel like me, who I will have shared things to talk about with and who I can trust. Which means, no to the OP's question.
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Old 04-10-2015, 06:23 AM
 
Location: NC
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As I age, I am still learning, hopefully good and useful information and ideas. As long as I have some basic values in common with people of any origin and from any background, I will continue to grow as a person. So for me, this type of 'diversity' is good.

But the idea of having some similar basic values in common is key. I like people who respect me and my property, and who keep their property clean and well maintained, people who are naturally pleasant, and people who are continuing to learn, appreciate nature, and their environment.
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Old 04-10-2015, 06:44 AM
 
Location: Near a river
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Think of a black person that you went to school with. Now think of the Swedish exchange student. Who adds more diversity to your group. One is another color but mostly the same. One is the same color but different in so many different ways. I feel that ethnic diversity leads to cultural diversity so much more than race.

My 98% white retirement community has people from about 55 different countries. If we replaced all of those people with American blacks do you think we would be more diverse? I don't. We have blacks from Africa that make us more diverse because with them it is more than skin color.

I really don't think that a white and black from the average American cities are all that diverse. Outside of people at one extreme or the other of any economic measurement there isn't that much difference. You will only get that by ethnicity.
Obviously, there's racial diversity and there's ethnic diversity. Both bring a richness to the table.

Going to school in a multiracial community, my kids learned a broad understanding and tolerance by interacting with the racial diversity of their schoolmates and friends. They learned mostly not to fear the color of another person's skin, and not to assume what the media is so good at projecting. The African-American community is itself incredibly diverse. When you grow up and surround yourself with people of your own race, it's possible, even perhaps likely, that you will not understand the needs and interests of others of other races. Rather than engage, we distance ourselves, leaving city public schools to crumble and crime to proliferate. In so many ways we're going backward today in that respect.

Cultural diversity taught my kids not so much "tolerance and understanding," but about genuine interest in others' belief systems, values, and customs, not from reading about these in a book but from befriending. I wish they had had more of this exposure, but at least they had a fair amount. My youngest son's two best friends in elementary school were Chinese and Nigerian. Another son's good friends included a boy from India. When we moved back to New England, we moved to a small all-white middle-upper-middle class town. All-white school. I was sad for my two youngest that we made that move.
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Old 04-10-2015, 06:47 AM
 
Location: Near a river
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One of the best posts I have read on City-Data for a long time. You chose an apt user name for City-Data, thinkalot.

As a nation we have become so blinded by political correctness that we think there is some special magic and virtue in having a mixture of skin colors around us, be it in the neighborhood or in the workplace. In my work life for the past 50 years, I have always had "diversity" (both in its real sense and in its more limited sense of skin colors), so to me diversity is just a given hardly worthy of discussion in a thread. Where I live currently we have whiles, Hispanics, and Chinese in approximately equal numbers, with a smaller number of blacks. I find myself comfortable in both all black and all white environments. Make that all Hispanic environments too. I have spent more than negligible time in each, although being white, I have spent more time in all white environments, especially during my childhood in the 1950's.
I'd say go with whatever you're most comfortable with, but please don't chalk up the diversity thing to political correctness. People who are real and genuine are not seeking to be politically correct.
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Old 04-10-2015, 07:21 AM
 
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I'm up for that at this point...although retirement is a long way off. I would definitely prefer to live in a financially diverse community if that makes any sense.
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Old 04-10-2015, 07:24 AM
 
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Obviously, there's racial diversity and there's ethnic diversity. Both bring a richness to the table.

Going to school in a multiracial community, my kids learned a broad understanding and tolerance by interacting with the racial diversity of their schoolmates and friends. They learned mostly not to fear the color of another person's skin, and not to assume what the media is so good at projecting. The African-American community is itself incredibly diverse. When you grow up and surround yourself with people of your own race, it's possible, even perhaps likely, that you will not understand the needs and interests of others of other races. Rather than engage, we distance ourselves, leaving city public schools to crumble and crime to proliferate. In so many ways we're going backward today in that respect.

Cultural diversity taught my kids not so much "tolerance and understanding," but about genuine interest in others' belief systems, values, and customs, not from reading about these in a book but from befriending. I wish they had had more of this exposure, but at least they had a fair amount. My youngest son's two best friends in elementary school were Chinese and Nigerian. Another son's good friends included a boy from India. When we moved back to New England, we moved to a small all-white middle-upper-middle class town. All-white school. I was sad for my two youngest that we made that move.
I hear you. We are in a similar town in NE and I do wish my kids had my experience in school (graduated with 500 people and met knew people all the time at school).
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