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Old 01-01-2016, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Colorado
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OK, I'm almost 69....I admit I don't know what is beyond my comprehension and that's okay. Whatever gives
others comfort is fine, just don't try to push your beliefs on me...I'm respecting your right to believe whatever
you want, please afford me the same right....
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Old 01-01-2016, 06:20 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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Atheist don't believe in God so you would not go to church on either of these holidays. Atheists don't believe in Christ either, so Easter is not acknowledged.
I know, I go with my husband for companion's sake. But he is not super religious, he enjoys the signing.
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Old 01-01-2016, 06:37 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I like many other non-religious people avoid the subject. There are folks that firmly believe that all atheists/agnostics are pedophiles, swindlers of old ladies, and have sex with swine.

My golden rule: I don't preach to you, you don't preach to me.
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Old 01-01-2016, 07:25 PM
 
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I don't know about this new Pope. I think they just kicked out the other one because he just wasn't the right "face" for the scandal. Pope Francis is more pleasant to look at and appears friendly. To me it was all PR. I was raised Catholic and the Pope is usually there until death. Look at JP2 - could barely drag himself around and he was still at it, but then he was very peaceful looking.
Poor Pope Benedict XVI. Given the bum's rush.

"I'm scared when I go back to Galway, to the convent, that my heart will break if I'm not near him."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2oziFfGQZo
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Old 01-01-2016, 07:36 PM
 
Location: out standing in my field
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I have met very few people at that age who are agnostic or atheist. I am personally an agnostic and don't believe in any religion.

Is your belief in God and religion stronger now that you are older?
No, it isn't.

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Any Atheists or agnostics here?
Agnostic. I have a few choice words for "god" if I ever meet him/her/it.
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Old 01-01-2016, 08:11 PM
 
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Poor Pope Benedict XVI. Given the bum's rush.

"I'm scared when I go back to Galway, to the convent, that my heart will break if I'm not near him."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2oziFfGQZo
That was so funny! I was stationed in Sicily and got to see JP2 a couple of times, even Easter Sunday mass out in the square. I might be a lapsed catholic, but the whole thing is fascinating. I do go to church occasionally. I even have a cousin that is a priest. My fathers family was very religious.
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Old 01-01-2016, 08:34 PM
 
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That was so funny! I was stationed in Sicily and got to see JP2 a couple of times, even Easter Sunday mass out in the square. I might be a lapsed catholic, but the whole thing is fascinating. I do go to church occasionally. I even have a cousin that is a priest. My fathers family was very religious.
The three Irish nuns in the French and Saunders skit are like many of the nuns who educated me. So fierce and intense. There was one who used to run up tiny nun's habits on the convent sewing machine to give (secretly) to the girls who were her special teacher's pets. Even as a very small child, I found some of their goings-on absurd.

When I was much older, in high school, one of the nuns confided in me that she did not always believe in God. Sometimes she did, and sometimes she didn't. She said it was the same for many of the others in the convent. During the non-believing times, they carried on with their work (teaching) because it was what they were trained to do and the order needed them.

I respected her for being honest with me about that.
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Old 01-01-2016, 08:49 PM
 
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OK, I'm almost 69....I admit I don't know what is beyond my comprehension and that's okay. Whatever gives
others comfort is fine, just don't try to push your beliefs on me...I'm respecting your right to believe whatever
you want, please afford me the same right....
Unfortunately, here lies the rub. It appears to me this is not doable. There is now and always have been a war between those that have pushed their religious beliefs on others and those who reject it. Consider all the religious wars. It is always one religion trying to impose their belief system on those who do not share in their beliefs.

Those "Christians" who infiltrated the Texas school board to re-write history and science, are not content to just follow their own doctrine. They want everyone else to follow the same doctrine. The question of individuality of choice for others is not respected.

As for needing religion to do the "right thing". This is such a fallacy. I firmly believe that atheists have at least as much if not more kindness and generosity in their hearts as do Christians. Look at Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, the greatest philanthropists of all times, trying to help eradicate sickness and disease in the world. Both are declared atheists.

Atheists for the most part have only one complaint. "Leave us alone. Live and let live. You believe and practice as you see fit, and don't try and impose your moral dogma on me." If this principal were adhered to we would live in a much more peaceful world.

I think for many folks, this becomes more obvious the longer we live and experience what is going on around us. We see too much hate, judgement and lack of empathy coming from those who claim to be "Christians" (not all of course)

Couple that with a rational mind, and you may just wind up an atheist by age 65.
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Old 01-01-2016, 08:52 PM
 
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It is not always just "non-believing times" which cause difficulty for those attempt to lead the lives of nuns or priests. The Catholic Church is most definitely a male institution and women are very much second class participants. Priests can have difficulty when they encounter bureaucracy, greed, politics, hidden homosexuality and child abuse. The Catholic Church has a long, long way to go to clean itself up. Pretty sad for an institution that specializing in telling others how to live.
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Old 01-01-2016, 09:26 PM
 
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I have met very few people at that age who are agnostic or atheist. I am personally an agnostic and don't believe in any religion.

Is your belief in God and religion stronger now that you are older? Any Atheists or agnostics here?
I think rather than answering this question directly I will simply ask anyone here who holds religious beliefs the following:

1. Do your beliefs teach you to think of those with a different belief system as equal to you and not less worthy than you are?

2. Do your beliefs teach you to hold women, gay people, blacks, Muslims, or any other group as true equals?

3. Does your belief system promote education and the acquisition of knowledge?

4. Does your belief system encourage you to love the Earth and exercise good stewardship over it?

5. Do the leaders of your faith not attempt to tell you to vote in elections?

6. Does your faith promote values such as peace and justice?

Anyone who is either religious, an atheist, or an agnostic who can answer "yes" to all these questions has my respect. If you cannot answer yes to these questions I have trouble with your belief system.
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