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Old 02-07-2016, 03:25 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, AK
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AlaskaErik, you just gave me a smile, from the humor of it!

It's true, I'm a progressive and a Democrat. And I was even long time married to a college professor!

I'm probably not a Marxist, but perhaps a socialist. Definitely leftist.

ha! thanks for the smile. "espoused by today's egghead college professors" is giving me some good humor

and "living the poverty level existence that defined the old Soviet Union" is a good one!

I do believe in the public good.
The problem I have with people who believe in the public good is that they always want to take from those who work and give it to those who won't work. My parents immigrated to this country with nothing more than a few dollars. They never asked for a handout. They just worked hard and that rubbed off on me. I worked hard all my life and now I'd like to enjoy the fruits of my labor, and not have it taken away from me and given to someone who wasted their life away. There will always be those in need, but I thing charity should be voluntary, not enforced by the state.
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Old 02-07-2016, 05:54 AM
 
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The problem I have with people who believe in the public good is that they always want to take from those who work and give it to those who won't work. My parents immigrated to this country with nothing more than a few dollars. They never asked for a handout. They just worked hard and that rubbed off on me. I worked hard all my life and now I'd like to enjoy the fruits of my labor, and not have it taken away from me and given to someone who wasted their life away. There will always be those in need, but I thing charity should be voluntary, not enforced by the state.


I agree 100%
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Old 02-07-2016, 05:58 AM
 
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"If one is planning to retire in 5+ yrs and they want an affordable sr. apt, they need to get on the wait lists now, not after they retire."

This is true. I waited 2 years to get into Sr housing where I am.
It is not ideal, I do not like living in a big building with so many people around me.. but it is a lot better than being homeless.
The apt is small, but has everything I need. It is quiet and clean.

I learned that there are people in the building who have done what is suggested above. They moved in while they are working - and they pay the market rent - so that once they retire they will have an affordable place to live.

anyone can get on this list for free:
info@apartmentsmart.com

They send out which lists are open in which state, that you can get on. I am waiting for a place in Albuquerque.




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Spot on (affordable sr housing). They do exist; however, the wait lists for most are very long, some you'll not hear from them for at least 5 years or more; some you'll never hear from. A happy medium would be nice. . . but from my many years of research too many of the 'lower' rentals are in very unsafe areas with little to no amenities; or you get the higher end rentals (some starting at $1,200/mo+).

If one is planning to retire in 5+ yrs and they want an affordable sr. apt, they need to get on the wait lists now, not after they retire.
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Old 02-07-2016, 06:04 AM
 
Location: RVA
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+1. No surprise M12 is a socialist, her posts reek of it. Then why not got go live in a Socialist country then, and live your dream? Its always the have nots with no ambition to do better in life that firmly believe, anyone that has more should be forced to part with the fruits of their labor and give it to them. My father was also an immigrant, from the poorest parts of Italy, where most people he knew that could, left for the USA BECAUSE with true Socialism there ends up a hopeless chasm of lowest common denominator and the elite, that rule and dole out as they see fit. Over and over again. His home area of Italy is just as poor with no chance of getting ahead if you stay there. Unemployment in the 30% range. He could easily afford to travel there and see old family and friends, but refuses to even consider it. "Why would I ever leave the best place to visit a terrible place? All I ever dreamed of was leaving there. Why would I ever go back??" There may be inequities in America, but with some brains and a willingness to work, anyone can have the decent chance to achieve a wonderful lifestyle for their family. One good thing about M12s self righteous posts is it's comforting to know that I could retire today, if desired, and be considered flamboyant and grandiose with my fixed income and savings. All I'd have to do is sell my house, relocate to some poor part of the country, after selling most of my possessions, and I'd be a fat cat in poverty town. Oh, and my wife would leave me, so my actual income would be cut in half.....

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Old 02-07-2016, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Central IL
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"If one is planning to retire in 5+ yrs and they want an affordable sr. apt, they need to get on the wait lists now, not after they retire."

This is true. I waited 2 years to get into Sr housing where I am.
It is not ideal, I do not like living in a big building with so many people around me.. but it is a lot better than being homeless.
The apt is small, but has everything I need. It is quiet and clean.

I learned that there are people in the building who have done what is suggested above. They moved in while they are working - and they pay the market rent - so that once they retire they will have an affordable place to live.

anyone can get on this list for free:
info@apartmentsmart.com

They send out which lists are open in which state, that you can get on. I am waiting for a place in Albuquerque.
So there are no income requirements? You just have to be a certain age? That seems wrong that well-off folks who are still working can "hold" onto an apartment and keep it from others who may have a real need for it.
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Old 02-07-2016, 08:00 AM
 
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+1. No surprise M12 is a socialist, her posts reek of it. Then why not got go live in a Socialist country then, and live your dream? Its always the have nots with no ambition to do better in life that firmly believe, anyone that has more should be forced to part with the fruits of their labor and give it to them. My father was also an immigrant, from the poorest parts of Italy, where most people he knew that could, left for the USA BECAUSE with true Socialism there ends up a hopeless chasm of lowest common denominator and the elite, that rule and dole out as they see fit. Over and over again. His home area of Italy is just as poor with no chance of getting ahead if you stay there. Unemployment in the 30% range. He could easily afford to travel there and see old family and friends, but refuses to even consider it. "Why would I ever leave the best place to visit a terrible place? All I ever dreamed of was leaving there. Why would I ever go back??" There may be inequities in America, but with some brains and a willingness to work, anyone can have the decent chance to achieve a wonderful lifestyle for their family. One good thing about M12s self righteous posts is it's comforting to know that I could retire today, if desired, and be considered flamboyant and grandiose with my fixed income and savings. All I'd have to do is sell my house, relocate to some poor part of the country, after selling most of my possessions, and I'd be a fat cat in poverty town. Oh, and my wife would leave me, so my actual income would be cut in half.....
My father's family left Mexico in 1916 during the Revolution. My mom's family was here in Texas even before it was a state. But I would love to go visit his home town one day. It was poor but the people were not. I've started contacting relatives from his side and the stories are fascinating.

I lived in Sicily for 1.5 years - stationed there with the air force. Fascinating place. Again, the poverty was not evident to me, anyway. Just a beautiful place to be and even considered moving there. Have you visited your father's former homeland? No curiosity of long lost relatives?
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Old 02-07-2016, 08:02 AM
 
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So there are no income requirements? You just have to be a certain age? That seems wrong that well-off folks who are still working can "hold" onto an apartment and keep it from others who may have a real need for it.
She said they pay the market rate if they are working. There are some apartments here in my town that work the same way.

The market rate might be 1/3 of your income, but it decreases of course once you retire and are on a pension.
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Old 02-07-2016, 08:10 AM
 
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The problem I have with people who believe in the public good is that they always want to take from those who work and give it to those who won't work. My parents immigrated to this country with nothing more than a few dollars. They never asked for a handout. They just worked hard and that rubbed off on me. I worked hard all my life and now I'd like to enjoy the fruits of my labor, and not have it taken away from me and given to someone who wasted their life away. There will always be those in need, but I thing charity should be voluntary, not enforced by the state.
They do it so we won't look like a 3rd world country. Have you ever been to one? Horrible. I spent a few months in Panama. How can people live like that. Men armed with automatic weapons in a grocery store. Eating a meal in a restaurant while kids are outside asking for food.

People with money living behind high gates. Oh yeah, it is nice inside, but step out the door - yuck. It was the same in Kuwait City.

Sure we have slum areas around the country, but its not like that everywhere like it is in these countries.

I'm up there with you in level of income, but I don't mind doing my share. Even if it is for selfish reasons in that I just don't want to see poverty right there out in the open - begging or dead kids in the street. And that would be SOP, not the bad things we see splashed on the news every now and then. A view that I don't want to get used to.
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Old 02-07-2016, 08:48 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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+1. No surprise M12 is a socialist, her posts reek of it. Then why not got go live in a Socialist country then, and live your dream? Its always the have nots with no ambition to do better in life that firmly believe, anyone that has more should be forced to part with the fruits of their labor and give it to them. My father was also an immigrant, from the poorest parts of Italy, where most people he knew that could, left for the USA BECAUSE with true Socialism there ends up a hopeless chasm of lowest common denominator and the elite, that rule and dole out as they see fit. Over and over again. His home area of Italy is just as poor with no chance of getting ahead if you stay there. Unemployment in the 30% range. He could easily afford to travel there and see old family and friends, but refuses to even consider it. "Why would I ever leave the best place to visit a terrible place? All I ever dreamed of was leaving there. Why would I ever go back??" There may be inequities in America, but with some brains and a willingness to work, anyone can have the decent chance to achieve a wonderful lifestyle for their family. One good thing about M12s self righteous posts is it's comforting to know that I could retire today, if desired, and be considered flamboyant and grandiose with my fixed income and savings. All I'd have to do is sell my house, relocate to some poor part of the country, after selling most of my possessions, and I'd be a fat cat in poverty town. Oh, and my wife would leave me, so my actual income would be cut in half.....
I guess that is what our forefathers meant by the words in the preamble of the Constitution, ".....life, liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness", not the guarantee of happiness.
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Old 02-07-2016, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Idaho
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matisse12,
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I do see any angry or strident language in my post.

I did not see any anger but some of the statements sounded quite strident. Of course that it is my interpretation.


I also do not believe that it is a sin to strive for more.

I'm glad that you think so. The question is that why you appear to be displeased with folks who want to have a lot more than what you think is the 'norm'?

And BellaDL's interpretation of what I'm saying is not accurate to my thoughts or meanings.

My apology if I had misinterpreted some parts of your post. Words may have different meaning or to different people, IMO terms like grandiosity, flamboyant or jokesters have very negative connotations.


I was presenting some opposing ideas.

As I stated before, everybody is entitled to his/her opinions. IMO strongly worded opposing ideas may sound like they should belong to the political forum or a class warfare session.
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