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Old 02-07-2016, 10:05 AM
 
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The problem I have is there are way too many people on government disability that shouldn't be. The criteria is if there a job available that you can do, you are not eligible. However many get a lawyer that coaches them as to what ailments to come up with and which doctors to see.


The kicker is once someone gets on disability, they can get a part time job just can't make more per year than allowed amount to stay on disability program. If they are able to get a job, why are they on disability.


I know a lot about it because I worked with a couple of people that didn't want to work anymore and got on disability. Both are far from disabled. One went the depressed route and the other came up with a neck injury.


It's sad because I see help wanted signs all over the place for retail, restaurant, gas places. Granted not great jobs but certainly not physically demanding jobs.
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Wasilla, AK
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They do it so we won't look like a 3rd world country. Have you ever been to one? Horrible. I spent a few months in Panama. How can people live like that. Men armed with automatic weapons in a grocery store. Eating a meal in a restaurant while kids are outside asking for food.

People with money living behind high gates. Oh yeah, it is nice inside, but step out the door - yuck. It was the same in Kuwait City.

Sure we have slum areas around the country, but its not like that everywhere like it is in these countries.

I'm up there with you in level of income, but I don't mind doing my share. Even if it is for selfish reasons in that I just don't want to see poverty right there out in the open - begging or dead kids in the street. And that would be SOP, not the bad things we see splashed on the news every now and then. A view that I don't want to get used to.
Have I ever been to a third world country? Yes I have. To a lot of them. I don't mind doing my share. I just don't like it forced on me by an overreaching federal government who thinks it knows how to better spend my money. The Salvation Army can do the same thing at a fraction of the cost. I don't know what weapons at a grocery store has to do with this. I see people openly carrying weapons in Alaska and Arizona all the time. It's no big deal. And California and other states like it are loaded with gated communities, so it's not just a third world country thing.
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:17 AM
 
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$2300 a month is an unlivable income. It borders on abject poverty. It's not about standards, it's about quality of life.
AKErik, humor me, wouldja? Depends on what you like to do, what floats your boat, how you define nirvana.


Personally, I am a scholar by nature. I like walking my dog in state parks. I like peace and calm and quiet. That's one of the reasons I'm looking forward to hanging it up - getting a lot of peace and calm and quiet.


OK, I DO intend to do the Grand National Parks RV Tour and raise a wild ruckus with road stories shared amongst other RV tourers, at the RV campsites of an evening. But I will return to what I hope to have established as an uncluttered, ascetic abode once I'm done.


I'ma thinking that those kinds of preferences don't require a whole lot of outlay.


Of course, who the heck knows. Once I've hung it up, I might discover the wild party gal lurking within. Not likely, though, lol!
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Columbia SC
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The problem I have is there are way too many people on government disability that shouldn't be. The criteria is if there a job available that you can do, you are not eligible. However many get a lawyer that coaches them as to what ailments to come up with and which doctors to see.


The kicker is once someone gets on disability, they can get a part time job just can't make more per year than allowed amount to stay on disability program. If they are able to get a job, why are they on disability.


I know a lot about it because I worked with a couple of people that didn't want to work anymore and got on disability. Both are far from disabled. One went the depressed route and the other came up with a neck injury.


It's sad because I see help wanted signs all over the place for retail, restaurant, gas places. Granted not great jobs but certainly not physically demanding jobs.
Article online today about the father of Bristol Palin's last child. He said he makes $100K per year working construction but also has a $37K per year disability for the USMC.

While I believe a measure of a society is how well it takes care of their less fortunate, this does not sit well with me.
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Old 02-07-2016, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Central IL
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The problem I have is there are way too many people on government disability that shouldn't be. The criteria is if there a job available that you can do, you are not eligible. However many get a lawyer that coaches them as to what ailments to come up with and which doctors to see.


The kicker is once someone gets on disability, they can get a part time job just can't make more per year than allowed amount to stay on disability program. If they are able to get a job, why are they on disability.


I know a lot about it because I worked with a couple of people that didn't want to work anymore and got on disability. Both are far from disabled. One went the depressed route and the other came up with a neck injury.


It's sad because I see help wanted signs all over the place for retail, restaurant, gas places. Granted not great jobs but certainly not physically demanding jobs.
Getting a job may only be meant as "trial work" so that they can see if working a certain job is possible without having to give up disability, find out the job doesn't work and then have to re-apply - which can take months. I think that period of time is limited.
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Old 02-07-2016, 12:21 PM
 
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Getting a job may only be meant as "trial work" so that they can see if working a certain job is possible without having to give up disability, find out the job doesn't work and then have to re-apply - which can take months. I think that period of time is limited.
I would bet that most that fight to get a disability check every month have no desire to ever get off of it. Just work enough to get extra cash. Throw in what comes with government disability free health care, food stamps, heating assistance ETC and its not a bad gig.




I must say veterans disabled from military action should be first to get disability and be taken care of. Also those that are truly disabled of course should receive benefits.


60 minutes did an episode on the program which was an eye opener.
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Old 02-07-2016, 12:23 PM
 
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Article online today about the father of Bristol Palin's last child. He said he makes $100K per year working construction but also has a $37K per year disability for the USMC.

While I believe a measure of a society is how well it takes care of their less fortunate, this does not sit well with me.


He must not be too physically disabled if he can do construction. Might be a PTSD issue.
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Old 02-07-2016, 01:00 PM
 
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He must not be too physically disabled if he can do construction. Might be a PTSD issue.
You don't have to be "physically" disabled to qualify for VA compensation. My other half is rated 100%, but he can still walk and if you saw him, would not think he was "disabled". He did his time in Vietnam - 2 purple hearts - gee. He can still work if he wants. Now if you are 100% and rated un-employable - no you cannot work.

This other guy Dakota whatever his last name is - didn't he get awarded the Medal of Honor? They get a monthly compensation just for that. According to the google - it is $1259 above any other benefits.

I'm surprised he is only getting 37K.
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Old 02-07-2016, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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This thread has taken on a political context that is just not healthy or productive IMO.

There are various camps complaining that $2k/month is ample and that $10k/month is not enough. If you're netting $10k per month in retirement and not exhausting your assets, you are very fortunate and far wealthier than what most people in the population will ever get.
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Old 02-07-2016, 04:01 PM
 
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Perryinva,

I'm actually much much more of a Democrat than a socialist. I only mentioned socialist because you said I'm a Marxist. I've voted straight Democratic, never socialist.

And I've never been a 'have not'.

And I definitely have not been a 'have not with no ambition to do better in life'.

I have a bachelors degree, a masters degree, and almost a 2nd masters degree.

I made a living my entire adult life, worked 38+ years, and worked 23 years for two of the very largest & well-known law firms in the U.S, along with another 10 years working in academia at universities.

So your attempt to classify me went off the rails a bit.
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