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Old 07-07-2016, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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I know little about CARB but have heard about its onerous burden. No worries about emissions testing in Alaska.
It would qualify as a minor pain in the ass but certainly not an "onerous burden". A brand new car is exempt from the emissions testing for the first six years. Thereafter, every two years you have to take your vehicle in for the testing, which takes about 20 minutes and costs about $50. My experience is that normally the cars do pass the test. I had a 20 year old Ford Escort which flunked its first emissions test at age 20. In that case you have to have repairs made and hope it will pass, which mine did. If it still doesn't pass, I don't know what happens as I have never been in that situation.
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Old 07-07-2016, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, AK
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It would qualify as a minor pain in the ass but certainly not an "onerous burden". A brand new car is exempt from the emissions testing for the first six years. Thereafter, every two years you have to take your vehicle in for the testing, which takes about 20 minutes and costs about $50. My experience is that normally the cars do pass the test. I had a 20 year old Ford Escort which flunked its first emissions test at age 20. In that case you have to have repairs made and hope it will pass, which mine did. If it still doesn't pass, I don't know what happens as I have never been in that situation.

The reference about onerous burden applied to CARB in its entirety, not just emissions testing. And yes, most vehicles do pass. That's why Anchorage and Fairbanks did away with their testing programs. It was just a huge money waster when you looked at how few vehicles failed. No one is going to rip out emissions related equipment like I did almost 40 years ago, when it was still possible. If California did away with its program I doubt you could even notice it in air quality levels. But that will never happen in California.
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Old 07-18-2016, 11:20 AM
 
Location: North Carolina
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I have an Uncle whose kids and GC are in LA area and retired to Santa maria....I think it's a good option. Great climate, reasonable cost, small but not too small, about 120 miles from LA.
Thanks for the information. I will check this out!
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Old 07-19-2016, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The reference about onerous burden applied to CARB in its entirety, not just emissions testing. And yes, most vehicles do pass. That's why Anchorage and Fairbanks did away with their testing programs. It was just a huge money waster when you looked at how few vehicles failed. No one is going to rip out emissions related equipment like I did almost 40 years ago, when it was still possible. If California did away with its program I doubt you could even notice it in air quality levels. But that will never happen in California.
I lived in the LA area during the 50s and the smog was like Beijing today. Your eyes burned and tears streamed down your face. LA is a natural pollution trap surrounded by mountains combine with thermal inversions. This was not caused by cars alone, however the requirement of catalytic converters was a major change. I am happy with the proactive stance that California has taken to make living there less of a health risk.
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Old 07-19-2016, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Idaho
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I lived in the LA area during the 50s and the smog was like Beijing today. Your eyes burned and tears streamed down your face. LA is a natural pollution trap surrounded by mountains combine with thermal inversions. This was not caused by cars alone, however the requirement of catalytic converters was a major change. I am happy with the proactive stance that California has taken to make living there less of a health risk.
I was born, (1951), and raised in the L.A. basin and remember those days well. We lived less than a mile from the hills, (as the crow flies), and we couldn't see them all summer. The only time we could was Autumn and Winter during the Santa Ana winds. That's why I don't mind wind to this day, even though most people complain about it. The only days when L.A. had clean air was when it was windy. Those days were special. I guess that childhood association has stuck with me to this day.

It really started changing in 1975 when catalytic mufflers were mandated on automobiles. Took a few years to get the old cars off the road, and by the mid-80s, the air was pretty clean, relatively.

There have been stories about the first Spanish Conquistadors sailing up from San Diego noticing the fire smoke hovering in the air created by indigenous native's campfires. The basin encircled by high mountains, the summer inversion layer, and prevailing west/southwest winds off the ocean create the perfect 'smog laboratory'.

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Old 07-22-2016, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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The reference about onerous burden applied to CARB in its entirety, not just emissions testing. And yes, most vehicles do pass. That's why Anchorage and Fairbanks did away with their testing programs. It was just a huge money waster when you looked at how few vehicles failed. No one is going to rip out emissions related equipment like I did almost 40 years ago, when it was still possible. If California did away with its program I doubt you could even notice it in air quality levels. But that will never happen in California.
Your belief that things can never go in the right direction in California is too cynical. For a long time all cars needed the emissions testing every two years, whether brand new or not. Then finally common sense prevailed and the law was changed to exempt new cars from the first two tests, meaning that a car first needs to be tested when it is six years old. Obviously hardly any cars were failing during the first six years. Notice I am not claiming that California regulations are reasonable in general, but I am claiming that rationality can occasionally prevail.
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Old 07-22-2016, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, AK
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Your belief that things can never go in the right direction in California is too cynical. For a long time all cars needed the emissions testing every two years, whether brand new or not. Then finally common sense prevailed and the law was changed to exempt new cars from the first two tests, meaning that a car first needs to be tested when it is six years old. Obviously hardly any cars were failing during the first six years. Notice I am not claiming that California regulations are reasonable in general, but I am claiming that rationality can occasionally prevail.

I stated a simple fact...California will never do away with its emissions testing program. That's not cynicism, that's reality.
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