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Old 03-11-2016, 08:05 PM
 
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You act like it's some startling news that the cost of living is lower in the boonies than it is in the major metro areas of the United States. Well, I've got news for you: Most of us already knew that. If in addition you actually prefer to live where you live, then that's a double plus for you and that's where you belong. You have found your ideal situation. What I find curious is why you are so vociferous about it. As in "methinks thou dost protest too much". For me, $30k a year would be a small price to pay for the many advantages of living in California.
"Many advantage of living in CA." LOL. Name them. Well, we each try to rationalize our own situation, I guess.

Yep, I found a place I much prefer and get a 30,000 a year bonus on top of it. I can visit CA for five months a year and still be ahead if I want. (I don't want). What a deal! I wouldn't call Sioux Falls the boonies...I've spent 35 years in CA in the SF Bay Area and I'd say Sioux Falls has more to offer in a plethora of areas. So don't get too snotty and pretend just because you are from LA..that it is has more to offer....I've spent a ton of time there, too....so don't pretend that you know more than me. You don't.

A little defensive, are't you?
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Old 03-11-2016, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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"Many advantage of living in CA." LOL. Name them. Well, we each try to rationalize our own situation, I guess.

Yep, I found a place I much prefer and get a 30,000 a year bonus on top of it. I can visit CA for five months a year and still be ahead if I want. (I don't want). What a deal! I wouldn't call Sioux Falls the boonies...I've spent 35 years in CA in the SF Bay Area and I'd say Sioux Falls has more to offer in a plethora of areas. So don't get too snotty and pretend just because you are from LA..that it is has more to offer....I've spent a ton of time there, too....so don't pretend that you know more than me. You don't.

A little defensive, are't you?
World class art museums.
World class live opera.
World class symphony (the Los Angeles Philharmonic).
World class chorus (the Los Angeles Master Chorale)
Acoustically superb hall as home of the above two (Walt Disney Concert Hall)
World class live theatre.
First run foreign films.
More genuine ethnic restaurants than you can shake a stick at.
Ocean nearby.
Mountains and skiing nearby.
Internationally known lecturers at places such as the Huntington Library.
Pretty large zoo (admittedly not as large as San Diego's).
Battleship USS Iowa as a permanent publicv museum.
Wonderful science museum which houses the space shuttle.
Great weather which doesn't have me talking about spending winters somewhere else.

That's just off the top of my head without spending any time except to type. You seem to have it backwards about being defensive. I have no need to "rationalize" my own situation. I freely chose to stay here after I retired. Financially, as you never tire of pointing out, I would have been ahead to move to a lower cost area in a lower tax state. I have no need to pull out all the stops sneering at other places. So I'll ask again, why are you so vociferous in your condemnation of California? Why the emotionality connected with this issue?

Edited to add: The arrogance and obnoxiousness of suggesting that there are no advantages to living in a given place are quite striking. ("LOL. Name them.") Imagine someone saying the same thing implying that there are no advantages to living where you do. I wouldn't for a split second entertain the thought of doing that. You say you like it there, so I would assume there are indeed advantages to your city/location without feeling the need to put you down.

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Old 03-11-2016, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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[quote=Escort Rider;43327794]World class art museums.
World class live opera.
World class symphony (the Los Angeles Philharmonic).
World class chorus (the Los Angeles Master Chorale)
Acoustically superb hall as home of the above two (Walt Disney Concert Hall)
World class live theatre.
First run foreign films.
More genuine ethnic restaurants than you can shake a stick at.
Ocean nearby.
Mountains and skiing nearby.
Internationally known lecturers at places such as the Huntington Library.
Pretty large zoo (admittedly not as large as San Diego's).
Battleship USS Iowa as a permanent publicv museum.
Wonderful science museum which houses the space shuttle.
Great weather which doesn't have me talking about spending winters somewhere else.


No drag strip, Pomona is only used a couple of days a year and for professionals only. And southern California is the birthplace of hot rods.
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Old 03-12-2016, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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World class art museums.
World class live opera.
World class symphony (the Los Angeles Philharmonic).
World class chorus (the Los Angeles Master Chorale)
Acoustically superb hall as home of the above two (Walt Disney Concert Hall)
World class live theatre.
First run foreign films.
More genuine ethnic restaurants than you can shake a stick at.
Ocean nearby.
Mountains and skiing nearby.
Internationally known lecturers at places such as the Huntington Library.
Pretty large zoo (admittedly not as large as San Diego's).
Battleship USS Iowa as a permanent publicv museum.
Wonderful science museum which houses the space shuttle.
Great weather which doesn't have me talking about spending winters somewhere else.


No drag strip, Pomona is only used a couple of days a year and for professionals only. And southern California is the birthplace of hot rods.
Good point. I could have made a list of negatives about Southern California, but I was responding to a poster who challenged me to list the advantages of living here, sort of implying that there aren't any.
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Old 03-12-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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Good point. I could have made a list of negatives about Southern California, but I was responding to a poster who challenged me to list the advantages of living here, sort of implying that there aren't any.
I was responding to your condescending post referring to the boonies, etc. and certainly implying that YOU ARE SO MUCH SMARTER AND BETTER because of all your "perceived" world class amenities.

That's all. But, hey, to each his own, I would agree. I'm not interested in World Class symphonies. I am going to the Paul McCartney concert here in May though with part of my 30k I'm saving vs. living in Southern Cal...I like Laguna Beach area and lots of the OC btw. I'll be visiting several times a year as I have a few good friends that live there..(with my 30k saved by NOT living there..)....lol....

CA is a great place to vacation!!
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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I was responding to your condescending post referring to the boonies, etc. and certainly implying that YOU ARE SO MUCH SMARTER AND BETTER because of all your "perceived" world class amenities.

That's all. But, hey, to each his own, I would agree. I'm not interested in World Class symphonies. I am going to the Paul McCartney concert here in May though with part of my 30k I'm saving vs. living in Southern Cal...I like Laguna Beach area and lots of the OC btw. I'll be visiting several times a year as I have a few good friends that live there..(with my 30k saved by NOT living there..)....lol....

CA is a great place to vacation!!
Ah, so now we finally get to the root of the problem - my use of the word "boonies". I do not agree that the use of that word implies that people who live in the big cities are "smarter and better", and I regret that that's the way you took it. Plenty of ignorant and stupid people live in big cities.

And by the way, the world class amenities here are not "perceived" but are very real. Why do you persist in trying to put other places down?

To think that I could have possibly avoided all your invective and vitriol if I had just not used the word "boonies"! We can't be too careful when drafting posts. What is more neutral for you, flyover country? Areas outside of the major metros? Smaller cities? Areas with a more rural character?
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Old 03-12-2016, 11:22 AM
 
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Escort,

You made a reasoned response to a ridiculous post.

While I would never want to live in the LA area, I do appreciate those things that I cannot get where I live ... Including but not limited to great Asian cuisine.
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Old 03-12-2016, 05:18 PM
 
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Escort,

You made a reasoned response to a ridiculous post.

While I would never want to live in the LA area, I do appreciate those things that I cannot get where I live ... Including but not limited to great Asian cuisine.
Believe it or not I can get great Asian Cuisine here, too. Metro areas of 250k usually have places. I lived in the SF Bay Area for 35 years so I think I have enough experience to compare.

I think the "vitriol" is perceived by my responder. Not used to getting a little push back that others don't think LA is all that. Even if it isn't in the boonies. Smaller metro areas would be a more neutral term unlike the " Moving Parking Lot" term sone would use to describe SoCal. Been there hundreds of times. I've experienced it. . Just a descriptor..certainly not a negative perception. . Just a descriptor like Boonies.
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Old 03-12-2016, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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Population growth comes with it's own set of problems, I lived in the Napa valley in 1963, back then Napa was a small farm town with more pickups than cars, more land than people, more jobs than people to fill them, and, wine wasn't even on the radar back then. I went back last year to see the town and countryside, lots of changes, tons of people, very little open spaces, big shiny top end cars, very few farmers, low wage jobs, mostly grape growing and enough wine to last a lifetime for every man woman and child.

For those who are lamenting the taxes in Ca, be aware that any place you relocate to will most likely be having their own set of problems--soon to become yours. Just as California was wasted by those who innocently went there to have their slice of paradise, the "new" place will be absorbing people on the run from California, trust me, I'm in Washington state-----The new California...Welcome home.
I was born and raised in California. Believe me, the socal at least of today, (at least seven years ago) isn't mine. I'd been unhappy with it for some time, but when the apartment became unliveable (maintance issues and being 3/4 offically empty, but not). I had a chance to move away. I'd visited a friend in OK and had felt very comfortable, and had made provisional plans. Given that nowhere where I lived was within budget that I wanted to live, I did some planning and when I visited again, looked at houses. I found my little house. When the lease ended I moved.

I made a good decision. But if its cheaper to live, the state has less money for services. Here, the taxes are low and generally the cost of living is good. But oil revenues are dropping and likely won't improve for some time, causing a big dip in state income. They are trying to find a way to fund things like education and health care. There is a serious shortage of teachers, and an incentive program my not happen. Schools may end up closed and merged. Class size could hit fifty, in elementary school. And oil production is dependent on fracking. Given that we're *finally* getting some action dealing with the fracking caused quakes, and our safety absolutely must trump the oil crap, things will get worse for state funds. And for the needed services states are responsible for providing.

There are also a lot of poor people and with job loss will be more. A social security check goes a lot further here because costs are lower. For a potential resident, its a balance between not getting all the activity you might want but being able to have a better sense of security, especially if you don't get a lot. When I moved, it wasn't just that I could cover the basics much better here, but I have a house, not an apartment. Nor did or do I want *everything* available down a freeway. I wanted OUT of the hurry up and wait rat race pace of life. Yes, there are things I miss, but since I was miserable there it is a fair trade.

But...One isn't earthquakes. What worries me now is the insurence cost. I haven't checked the cost yet, but will soon need to renew. I'm wondering how much higher the premium will be with the earthquake risk raised, the state's oil company owned politicians finally waking up. None the less, the safety of citizens still matters more, and people *are* outraged over the state's attitude. I somehow doubt the oil companies are going to subsidise the citizens they put at risk so the state's going to have an even worse problem paying teachers, and those other services which are being cut.

With the risk as it is I don't think I would have moved, but I'm here and have to deal with it, so I will. It shows that you can figure everything, and then things change and you may not be able to move.
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Old 03-13-2016, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Tennessee at last!
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I think you will be ok. You seem to be on top of the problem.
But the trust is a legal entity and will probably be a problem. Write to the trustee and ask about CA taxes and if they can move the trust to a state without state income taxes.

The FA in CA should not be a problem, but I would write him a letter and ask the question.Get the answer in writing. Note that you mentioned a CA trust. The trust will remain taxable in CA. The question is can the trust be moved to another state. I would think your FA could still manage it in another state as long as he was licensed in that state.

The CA teaching certification is not a tax problem as you can not use then in another state. Depending on what you do you may need to qualify in your new state for teaching but again there should be no CA tax problem.
Thanks, I had not really thought of the trust as being taxable in itself. I likely could not move it as some of the beneficiaries are in OR, some in CA. BUT we can liquidate the trust and then all the folks can set up their own trusts or whatever they want with their part. And my trust would just be set up in TN...and then I could use the same CA manger for the trust.

Just may not get the same management fee deal with less money/value in only a share.

Thanks so much for pointing that out!
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