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Old 03-18-2016, 04:00 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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I have refrained from participating in this thread due to the strong political overtone in spite of the disclaimer by the OP. I have my strong beliefs, social and political convictions but have decided long ago that it is a waste of time to engage in political or religious debates be it with friends/families or total strangers on the web.

However, since this thread has now veered towards discussion about immigrants, I feel compelled to provide several links on the immigration myths

Myths and facts about immigration to the United States - RationalWiki
Top 10 Myths About Immigration | Immigration Policy Center
http://www.newsweek.com/2015/10/23/m...rm-382855.html
https://www.aclu.org/immigration-myths-and-facts

Your link says that illegal aliens (which is the correct legal term) contribute $ 12 billion. My Link below says that illegal aliens cost taxpayers $ 113 Billion. The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

Welfare use: 65% illegal aliens get welfare vs. 30% of Americans -- Welfare Use by Legal and Illegal Immigrant Households | Center for Immigration Studies. You have to live under a rock, or be a left-wing activist to not know this.

Illegals do take jobs from Americans. Illegal Aliens Taking U.S. Jobs (2013)

Illegals are a drain on the economy: in 2010 they took out $ 25k/year, and contributed $ 14k. The are a deficit of $ 11k. Is Illegal Immigration an Economic Burden to America? - Illegal Immigration Solutions - ProCon.org

And on and on.


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Nativism is alive and well to the 21st century!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nativism_(politics)
Here is another asinine argument -- it's like you squatting in my house, and me being called "nasty" for evicting you. It's logic turned on its head.

 
Old 03-18-2016, 04:17 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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My prediction is after tonight--and the Florida primary--its all over for Marco Rubio. If Rubio pulls out of the race, its down to Trump, Cruz, and possibly Kasich on the GOP side (if he pulls out a win in Ohio). I don't see Kasich as the GOP nominee which is unfortunate. He's the sort of person, I'd be willing to consider voting for.

If the Democrats nominate Hillary Clinton which I fully expect than we are looking at either a Clinton-Trump race or a Clinton-Cruz race.

A few words about "Bernie". While some may believe he is correct in his opinions about the way America is turning into a corporate oligarchy, Bernie's solutions are unworkable. We cannot afford to give every college age student a free education. We may ultimately get national health insurance in this country, but it is going to take years and many issues are going to have to be worked through first. Bernie calls himself a "socialist" and this may, in and of itself, render him unelectable. Bernie is a not a viable candidate. He will lead to a republican victory if nominated.

Cruz is a poster child for the worst part of the Tea Party bomb throwers in Congress. This clown was organized a revolt to default on the nation's debts to prove a point. He has few or no friends at all in Congress. He could hardly be seen as a friend of the seniors. If elected, he will not work or compromise with anyone. Nor, will anyone work or compromise with him. Its a formula for massive gridlock.

Trump is scary and there is no other word for it. I say that no one here really has a clue what he would do if he were elected. He might be good for seniors and he might be extraordinarily destructive. What is clear is that he isn't stable. His opinions change just like the direction of the wind changes. Such a person cannot be allowed to be President of the United States.

This leaves Hillary Clinton. Clinton is not an inspirational candidate. She is not a good speaker. I suspect her performance as Secretary of State is neither as good, nor as bad as many people claim it is. The world is passing through turbulent times. Clinton was not responsible for the "Arab Spring of 2010". Nor, could she have stopped it. The computer email scandal hangs over her head.

Nevertheless, Clinton is the only stable choice available for seniors. The other two candidates are simply too undependable. We have some idea what Clinton would do as President and while it is perhaps not exactly what any of us completely want, it is better than the alternatives.

Hillary Clinton is the only reasonable voting choice for seniors.
If the conclusion is that our senior friends should vote in a known liar, a humorless, power hungry dirtbag like Hillary Clinton -- then I say it's time to put the country first and yourself second. Trump is not going to allow seniors to eat dog food --- look at his past record of support for some liberal issues.


Trump is your guy.
 
Old 03-18-2016, 04:39 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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The money would come from all the medical insurance premiums Americans pay now, and it would come from all the Medicaid that the states and the feds fund. There would be no more private insurance, and there would be no more Medicaid. Everything would roll into a single payer national health care system. Would individuals still be responsible for some premiums? Maybe. I'm on Medicare and my supplemental insurance (including dental) costs me $273/month, in addition to the part B premium that they take out of my SS. There is no "free," but there is also no doubt that a national single payer system would save US citizens billions of dollars a year.
First off, we have discussed the issue of Single-Payer at length at the Healthcare Forum. For those of us who have studied it, and even lived under it -- we know it is train wreck. It is already bad.

Europe is disintegrating, its systems are collapsing. Let's also see when the other shoe will drop -- when we American Taxpayer will no longer pay for Europe's national defense.

Back to Single-Payer -- you advocate destruction of a capitalist enterprise -- insurance companies, and expansion of a central Govt, and Socialism of healthcare.

This is a very important issue when we select the new Prez. What kind of country do we want to be? Hillary / Bernie takes us to Socialism, Trump / Cruz take us to Capitalism.

That's the choice we all have to make. Simple as that.

p.s. BTW I don't support Trump, first because he seems to me as another Constitution-wrecker, and secondly I don't believe him on deportations.

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Old 03-18-2016, 04:46 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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Heh - they were way ahead of the game in that they, at least spoke English - and probably were LITERATE to boot. Many of the current immigrants (and virtually all of the illegals) are unskilled, poorly educated, won't learn the language, some don't even know what a toilet is, and refuse to assimilate. They are USERS of the welfare safety nets, huge drains on the schools, requiring ESL teachers, depriving children of the taxpayers proper attention in the classroom, and medical facilities with demands for uncompensated care, all of which is well-documented. Which is why the border states (and others) are FED UP.

Trade and immigration are my two top issues - and Trump is right on both. Regrettably, I don't "like" him at all. Publicly, he is a boor - although I suspect he can be quite charming in private.
This is why Trump is winning and Cruz is losing. Immigration, and especially deportations.

Cruz does not give a full-throated support for deportations. Trump does. Cruz is on the fence, and seems keen to maintain the status-quo -- no deportations, but no "amnesty." It means that illegal aliens get to stay here, illegally. Which means that another Congress + Prez can legalize them.

Voters know the motivations -- Democratic Party wants to import its voters, while GOP wants cheap labor. American citizen who is abandoning the Dems and hates the GOP sees through this. Hence Donald Trump.
 
Old 03-18-2016, 04:50 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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If illegal aliens are so good, then why doesn't Mexico want to keep them? Why is the Mexican Govt pushing us to take their poor and illiterate, if they're so great?
 
Old 03-18-2016, 04:58 AM
 
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how many american's wish they were sitting on the back of that landscaping truck earning 2 bucks an hour ?. or maybe delivering Chinese food on a bicycle in the dead of winter ?

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Old 03-18-2016, 05:04 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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Last message before I go to work and subsidize others.

About deportations -- just deporting illegals is asinine too.

Imagine if we limited our justice system to catching the bank-robbers and only dispossessing them from their stash. You would have a bank robbery nirvana. That's why illegals will not stop coming even if you deport them. Illegals also have to be punished and pay for it.

That's how justice system is supposed to work -- be punished for breaking the law, which also deters others from breaking the law.

I love equality. Just like we do with our law-breakers, I want ICE to catch illegals, round them up in buses, and before takes them out to the border, dispossess them of their belongings, Obama phones, money, etc. Let also make them work for free, like we do with our prisoners. Let illegals pay their debts to society by building for free some of the crumbling infrastructure.

They like free, I also like free. If we're gonna be equal, let's be equal. You take from me, I will take it back.

This is how most people think, but do not speak because of PC. Trump is on to something.
 
Old 03-18-2016, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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how many american's wish they were sitting on the back of that landscaping truck earning 2 bucks an hour ?.
We also need to stop denigrading the American citizen. Americans do 75% of landscaping jobs. And no one can ride in the back of truck in NYC.

Since you are NYC resident did you vote for your City Council member who now wants to give voting rights to illegal aliens?

New bill could give illegal aliens voting rights in New York City | New York Post
 
Old 03-18-2016, 05:14 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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@ MathJak: I work in RE / Construction -- look what they have built in their countries and what we've built? Let's compare. They have built BS, falling down shacks. We have built a wonder city, and a great society, that they crawl against the border to come to.

The born-here Americans/ "natives", and the legally-naturalized built America. Not illegals. No comparison.
 
Old 03-18-2016, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Ubique
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how many american's wish they were sitting on the back of that landscaping truck earning 2 bucks an hour ?. or maybe delivering Chinese food on a bicycle in the dead of winter ?
So you think it makes sense for the American worker to subsidize someone staying home on welfare, so he / she wouldn't pick lettuce, PLUS subsidize another person to come here from Mexico to pick lettuce instead?

Reading your posts about finance in this forum -- I would never think you would ever advocate this idiotic position.

Welfare recipient wins, illegal alien wins, Democratic Party wins. The only loser here is the American taxpyer, middle class. Gee, I wonder why is Trump so appealing to so many!!??

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