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Old 03-19-2016, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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It's funny to me how politicians harp on "personal responsibility" then try to get their agenda passed in such a way that they can claim somebody else wanted the agenda.
Well said!!!
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Old 03-20-2016, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Hayden
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Anybody in their right mind understands that unilaterally shutting off SS benefits to current recipients would be a national economic, social, and political disaster. I'm not saying it can't happen, but if it does, we have arrived at the total economic collapse of the nation. SS won't be the only casualty. All income and asset classes will be affected.
I believe the total economic collapse of the nation is inevitable. And not in 'our grandchildren's time. In ours. Maybe soon.

20 trillion dollars in debt. 1/3 of the country has been out of work so long they're no longer counted in unemployment statistics (worse than the great depression). Corruption rampant in all areas of government.
49% of the population receiving government aid.

Yeah, the future is pretty bleak. Why do you think every department of the Federal government is arming itself for, planning for, and training itself for complete societal collapse? Because it's only a matter of time before it happens.

Our current system is unsustainable. Things that can't go on forever.... don't.
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Old 03-20-2016, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Old 04-22-2017, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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http://www.investmentnews.com/articl...-for-each-baby


Ric Edelman proposes Social Security fix: Allot $7,000 for each baby
Adviser's plan begins with the federal government setting aside money for each newborn baby for 35 years, to be invested for the child's retirement


This plan sounds suspiciously wrong for some reason. Not sure what exactly -
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Old 04-22-2017, 03:59 PM
 
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just break disability off and make it part of welfare . retirement ss and survivor benefits will be fine .

crack down on the fraud and abuse in it and there will plenty of money .disability became the extension to unemployment insurance as more and more older folks got lawyers and pressed for disability rather than work or look for jobs if they could swing a hint of a reason .. .
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Old 04-23-2017, 06:10 AM
 
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just break disability off and make it part of welfare . retirement ss and survivor benefits will be fine .

crack down on the fraud and abuse in it and there will plenty of money .disability became the extension to unemployment insurance as more and more older folks got lawyers and pressed for disability rather than work or look for jobs if they could swing a hint of a reason .. .
Great post and so true.
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Old 04-23-2017, 06:12 AM
 
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I believe the total economic collapse of the nation is inevitable. And not in 'our grandchildren's time. In ours. Maybe soon.

20 trillion dollars in debt. 1/3 of the country has been out of work so long they're no longer counted in unemployment statistics (worse than the great depression). Corruption rampant in all areas of government.
49% of the population receiving government aid.

Yeah, the future is pretty bleak. Why do you think every department of the Federal government is arming itself for, planning for, and training itself for complete societal collapse? Because it's only a matter of time before it happens.

Our current system is unsustainable. Things that can't go on forever.... don't.
If and it is a big if that 1/3 of the country are out of work, then it is by choice. There are jobs out there if people want to work.
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Old 04-23-2017, 06:18 AM
 
Location: Loudon, TN
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1/3 of the country is underage, in college, retired, on disability, or stay at home mom/dad. After you remove those folks from the math, the unemployment rate is about 5%. In my area I see "Now Hiring" signs every day and not just at fast food joints. Just yesterday I saw a big sign near the Master Craft boat factory, and another at an office set up just to hire long haul truck drivers. I see this type of help wanted ads literally every day.
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Old 04-23-2017, 10:35 AM
 
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just break disability off and make it part of welfare . retirement ss and survivor benefits will be fine .

crack down on the fraud and abuse in it and there will plenty of money .disability became the extension to unemployment insurance as more and more older folks got lawyers and pressed for disability rather than work or look for jobs if they could swing a hint of a reason .. .

I agree with this -- at least as a start. A couple of years ago there was a WSJ article about a judge in West Virginia who awarded 100% of the SS disability claims that came before him. Apparently he felt sorry for the poor people of WV and viewed social security as the solution to their employment problem. I believe he was removed from his position.

I believe they have made SS disability somewhat more difficult to receive now but they have also expanded it to include mental conditions such as depression and anxiety. I am not saying that serious mental conditions are NOT a cause for disability -- but it would seem that many of those diagnosis could be fradulent.
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Old 04-23-2017, 12:40 PM
 
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Over 100 people were arrested in a disability fraud scheme in ny . It included inside people, doctors ,lawyers and those collecting. They said this is only the start .
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