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Old 04-09-2016, 09:20 AM
 
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Yeah, I got my first computer at work 31 years ago.

I went through it all from DOS 2.1 to today.
DOS LOL, nah, millennials need a graphic interface.
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Old 04-09-2016, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Grove City, Ohio
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DOS LOL, nah, millennials need a graphic interface.
In my line of work we do a lot of calculations having to do with water flow through pipe grids and such.

Before computers I did this by hand using a pocket calculator because that is all we had. It was not easy, it took a huge amount of time, a problem that would literally take me several days to solve can now be done in 20 seconds, and it would go to where your mind went numb.

Hardy Cross Method with Hazen Williams

Fun it was not and it took me a long time to understand what I was doing but I did it.

If all the computers went down I could still solve a problem, but I would rather chew my arm off, that might take days but I could do it if my life depended on it. That and a little brush up because it has been a while.

Today it is all about hitting a key and having the answer magically appear without understanding the answer or the problem really.
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Old 04-09-2016, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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Isn't there an air of hypocrisy on this thread? Baby Boomers don't like it when they are criticized - but they are more than happy to categorize Millennials as 'cry babies'. Why is it okay for Baby Boomers to unfairly tarnish Millennials as being a certain way, but when we bestow the same treatment on you, you don't like it and get upset?

I have no doubt many Baby Boomers are extremely technologically competent, but having Baby Boomer parents myself, and having more than a dozen aunts and uncles born entirely before 1965, I think it's fair to say that their technological know-how is generally not very good. You might have been working with computers 30 years ago but most people your age probably weren't. My mother first used a computer in the mid-1980s but she couldn't work one to save her life. Like many people of her generation, she comes to her children for help. My cousin, who turns 32 this year, is an IT professional and earns a very good living from doing so. Myself - I'm not a tech wiz, but most people aren't. It isn't my job to know how to put a computer back together. It's just not an area that interests me. I know 14 and 15 year olds who could though - they could hack government computers if they wanted to.

This doesn't mean Baby Boomers should be shoved out of the workforce. It's hard enough finding a job when you reach 50 - I should know, my mother is in her early 50s and has been unemployed for 3 years. She was practically forced out of her old job. One of my aunts is 55 and feels like her current job in retail is on shaky ground because her legs aren't very good and she finds it hard to get up. I got a job within the first two applications when I was 16. Now I'm 28 and have been in employment for nearly 13 years.

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Old 04-09-2016, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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Large corporations have been dumping the older employees since about 2001. Nothing new here.
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Old 04-09-2016, 10:23 AM
 
Location: The Berk in Denver, CO USA
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Old 04-09-2016, 10:27 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Yeah, I got my first computer at work 31 years ago.

I went through it all from DOS 2.1 to today.
43 yrs ago when I got my first BASIC computer at work, then on to HPL, and Pascal, and yes... We had to write our own apps (not exceed 8k RAM.)

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Isn't there an air of hypocrisy on this thread? Baby Boomers don't like it when they are criticized - but they are more than happy to categorize Millennials as 'cry babies'. ...

This doesn't mean Baby Boomers should be shoved out of the workforce. ...
Yup... We are all cry babies, and that is what the article is about... The world is not fair. I would not be such a cry baby if the USA offered HS to rural dwellers... We are keen on funding 3rd world countries, and I have been in few that have as pathetic internet access as the USA. It is pretty tough to balance your check book, or be technically superior on dialup (The ONLY service I have at 3 rural homes in USA)

We all have an AXE to grind.

And yep... Companies LOVE to excess their employees who are bleeding them dry with benefits (like a few weeks vacation after 20 yrs service). The USA is not Europe ! Life is not fair, and no free lunches, I met some very bitter Norwegians today, because USA has such pitiful low taxes, and they don't... They seem to enjoy thier HUGE wages and vacations and healthcare...
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Old 04-09-2016, 10:29 AM
 
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As a department manager in my early 60's, I have no real issues with younger workers. They want to get ahead and many want to start families buy homes, etc. But they have been told (in code as not to be sued) that its people like me and my salary, that are the reasons they can't get ahead. I simply make too much (I wish), so younger employees are stuck with low pay, etc. Truth is, younger workers are victims of corporate brainwashing. Boomers will leave or be pushed out, and then younger workers will get huge raises... we'll fat chance that's going to happen. Millennials need to stop buying into the corporate trickle-down messaging. When I'm gone, my position will be spread amongst several Millennials. A small step for many people. I worked hard, and was rewarded with a corporate ladder move and raise. That ladder is pretty much gone, and I find that pretty sad.
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Old 04-09-2016, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque NM
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Want culture change? Time to push baby boomers into retirement - FederalNewsRadio.com

claims that one way to improve the Federal Government is to get rid of remaining Baby Boom employees. They are a drag on the government given their materialist interests and inability to embrace collaboration and information sharing.
And many of the Baby Boom employees in the federal government would love to retire. But the recession impact on our TSP funds and the low raises in the GS pay scale have caused us to delay retirement. GS pay scale raises since 2011 have been 0%, 0%, 0%, 1%, 1%, and 1% which has impacted retirement high 3s. The maximum buyout is a measly $25K which was set in the 1980s but is seldom offered anyway (e.g. buyouts are often offered in conjunction with early
outs). So I'm working two extra years beyond my retirement age to increase my pension and TSP.

Also my agency has had several early outs which the article recommends. But these require management approval and management approves the employee that they want to get rid of or another manager who wants to retire early and work for a contractor to double dip. The typical engineer, security specialist, contract specialist, etc. will not receive approval.

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Old 04-09-2016, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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The one thing they overlook is that we "Baby Boomers" show up for work, are on time, do not talk on our cell phones or text all day, and we have knowledge that takes years to gain. I have outlasted a whole bunch of younger people at my work because I take my work seriously and know what I am doing.

Don

This whole cell phone addiction is annoying.

I've seen managers in their 50's pushed out, and my last manager was 62 when he was forced out. He was replaced by a 30 something single mom who is frequently posting on Facebook about her feelings during working hours. (We became Facebook buddies when I quit the job)

One of my besties husband in his 50's was terminated by his boss in her 30's who replaced his boss in his early 60's. My besties husband was still on chemo therapy when he was terminated. It's going to court soon.

I understand the need for young blood and nobody owes you a living, but firing someone that sick and having them lose their medical insurance is over the top wrong.
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Old 04-09-2016, 11:34 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I constantly hear how baby boomers lack "skills" which usually point to lack of skills based around computer use.

I find the assertion totally nuts.

Baby boomers invented the technology the cry baby generation, aka millennials, rely on. Hit to the cry babies; I was using a computer before you were born.

Sometimes it gets tiresome listing to the whine.
Cry babies? The reality is both generations have hard working individuals and lazy bums. I have worked with baby boomers who are incompetent, lazy, unprofessional and should have probably been fire long ago. I have also worked with baby boomers who have had long successful careers. They are extremely knowledgeable, hardworking, and wise. I have worked with millennials who have busted their butts and been rewarded for it. I have also worked with millennials who don't know their left hand from their right and need to be whipped into shape. You cannot paint millions of individuals with a broad brush.

At the end of the day, people from each generation need to learn how to work together, learn from each other, and try to get past the nasty toxic stereotypes.
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