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Old 03-02-2008, 06:13 PM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Old 03-02-2008, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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I just read that and it is much diferent than stated It needs a 16% increase in payroll taxes or a 13% IMMEDIATE reduction in benefits.It fails the long range test by WIDE margins. That is just a nice way of saying it is in deep doo-doo like the congressional studies have shown.HI trust fund estimate to be exhausted by 2019.To safeguard the medicare program will need a IMMEDIATE 122% increase in the payroll tax or a IMMEDIATE 51% decrease in outlays. That is really serious and why the aoutomatically trigger warning was issued as required by law.
How was my quote from the Trustee's Report inaccurate? If you increased the contribution rate by almost 1% for the employer and the employee (excluding the self employed) you would fully cover the anticipated shortfall for at least the next 75 years. If you raised taxes a bit less, then you could cover the remaining shortfall by either raising the contributions cap or/and slightly reducing the cost of living formula.
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Old 03-03-2008, 06:49 AM
 
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There are ways to cover the shortfall, but the government doesn't have the will to do it. No more than they have the will to stop illegal immigration, or to stop outsourcing our jobs, or to stop relying on foreign oil, or to do much of anything, I guess.
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Old 03-03-2008, 07:49 AM
 
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Just raise the income cap dramatically, instead of incrementally, as it is now. I think this year's cap is about $102,000. There are plenty of people with higher incomes than that (and then don't raid the pantry for vanity wars).
Now, healthcare, that's the rub. There's no way I can see to lower costs without ending the involvement and profits of multiple overlapping insurance companies.
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Old 03-03-2008, 07:52 AM
 
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P.S. Some absurd amount of healthcare dollars (1/4?) goes into aggressive treatment in the last month of life. If people could see their way clear to accept that they (or their loved ones) aren't going to recover, they could do "comfort measures only" and not only would that enormous waste of money end, the end of people's lives would be much more comfortable and serene. "DNR" is only the beginning- so many people don't code, they slowly fail from resp., trouble, they have cancer, etc.
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Old 03-03-2008, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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P.S. Some absurd amount of healthcare dollars (1/4?) goes into aggressive treatment in the last month of life. If people could see their way clear to accept that they (or their loved ones) aren't going to recover, they could do "comfort measures only" and not only would that enormous waste of money end, the end of people's lives would be much more comfortable and serene. "DNR" is only the beginning- so many people don't code, they slowly fail from resp., trouble, they have cancer, etc.
I agree with you on this subject. Just give me a morphine drip and I will go quietly. Actually, my oldest daughter and I have an agreement. If I should become such a burden to my children, she is to push me off of Patricks Point in Monterey CA. I think she migth just do it too.
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Old 03-04-2008, 06:09 AM
 
Location: DC Area, for now
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I agree with you on this subject. Just give me a morphine drip and I will go quietly. Actually, my oldest daughter and I have an agreement. If I should become such a burden to my children, she is to push me off of Patricks Point in Monterey CA. I think she migth just do it too.
I also agree with this - the big problem is out of control health care costs. My mother has told us that if she loses her mind or is in great suffering, she hopes we will off her. Sorry , Mom, I will do almost anything for you, but I will not murder you.
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Old 03-04-2008, 06:29 AM
 
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I also agree with this - the big problem is out of control health care costs. My mother has told us that if she loses her mind or is in great suffering, she hopes we will off her. Sorry , Mom, I will do almost anything for you, but I will not murder you.
My father asked me to shoot him if he had to go into a nursing home, and he did, for 4 years. Like you said, I just could not do it!! Fortunately, it was a decent place, and my sister-in-law works there, and my brother was over there every day, too, and sometimes, his kids. (I live elsewhere).
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Old 03-06-2008, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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What we do for others and what we want for ourselves is sometimes miles apart. I have my 92 year old mom with us and she can make Jesus scream. I do love her and we take very good care of her. As for me....give me a push. LOL
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Old 10-11-2010, 09:55 AM
 
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Can my wife get social security benefits and railroad retirement spousal benefits
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