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Old 07-29-2016, 09:01 AM
 
Location: WA
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Fidelity also uses this security technique for some services. I complained when I needed to send a wire since I had texting turned off on my phone but they gave me no other option (except traveling to one of their offices) so I relented and turned on texting in order to accomplish the transaction.

I am not sure what transactions you can perform from the SS website that requires this level of security.
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Old 07-29-2016, 09:03 AM
 
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Because that would defeat the entire purpose of the two-step authentication process.

The whole point is to require two different means of communication to authenticate your account. If your computer security has been compromised by a keystroke logger or by some other means, then SSA emailing you a code obviously wouldn't be adding an additional level of security.

What SSA is doing makes perfect sense and should have been done a long time ago. I can't believe that people are actually looking to complain about a Government agency adding another level of security to protect their account.

Bank of America offers email as a choice. If you are afraid of keylogging - two points.
1) You can copy paste.
2) The code can only be used once. So you get in first and the code is no good any more.


If I get the code on another device, I still have to put it in the little CODE: box which means typing since it goes into the original device.


Also the code comes to the phone even when it is the SAME device and the phone browser is being used.


The additional "level" is the code delivery, not the device since same device can exist with the phone delivery method.
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Old 07-29-2016, 09:07 AM
 
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...I would wager that the subset of seniors who have online accounts, but don't have a cell phone is quite small. If they're not online anyway, then this doesn't really affect them.

Then if you don't want to use a cell phone you can just use your landline to call SSA and get whatever information you need, right?...

I have a plain-vanilla cell phone fotr emergencies only that offers no options other than calling. I dont text so why should I (or anyone else) have to buy a new phone just so I can access my Social Security account?

And I doubt that, once this requirement goes into effect, SSA will give anyone info over the phone. People will probably have to go through the USPS verification process, which will mean the info wont be furnished for weeks.
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Old 07-29-2016, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Idaho
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Another way to look at it is that mySSA accounts are accessible from a computer. This implies a certain level of geekyness and technological proficiency. We're worried about seniors our parents age, without cell phone texting capability accessing their accounts. I would rhetorically ask, how many of our parents have and use a computer?

Not many, I suspect. All of us here are comfortable with computer use, and probably most of us with an internet connection also have cellular telephones. We are fortunate in that our generation came into adulthood just as home computers were becoming economically viable. Many of us were part of that pioneering technological revolution and most of the rest of us became the first users of the technology in our employment and daily lives. I think we're worrying about something that is not really a problem. Just the way I see it.

As mentioned above, some of will be affected because we don't have texting phones, but as also stated, I suspect the percentage who lose access will be quite small.
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Old 07-29-2016, 09:26 AM
 
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The fact that when I want to access my SSA acct from my computer.

I have to put in my username/password (find password), then find my cell phone and wait for a text for a pin # and then go back to my computer to put in a pin is totally wrong.

I suspect this will accomplish 2 things, yes, makes access more secure.
and yes, less and less people will use online access.
to much trouble to get into your acct.
I have enough trouble just keeping a up to date list of passwords for online whatever.
Just pick up phone and call or walk in

It should be optional for those concerned with security not mandatory.
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Old 07-29-2016, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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How often does an elderly senior access his Social Security account? Or the Medicare site? Hardly ever.

Both the elderly seniors and the younger seniors who refuse to own a cell phone can go to their local SSA office for assistance. You know, like everyone did back in the "old" days.
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Old 07-29-2016, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Denver 'burbs
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The fact that when I want to access my SSA acct from my computer.

I have to put in my username/password (find password),then find my cell phone and wait for a text for a pin # and then go back to my computer to put in a pin is totally wrong.

I suspect this will accomplish 2 things, yes, makes access more secure.
and yes, less and less people will use online access.
to much trouble to get into your acct.
I have enough trouble just keeping a up to date list of passwords for online whatever.
Just pick up phone and call or walk in

It should be optional for those concerned with security not mandatory.
Or, knowing this is the process, plan to have your cellphone at your computer desk, wait for the text, pick up to phone, enter the PIN, set the phone back down....
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Old 07-29-2016, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Upstairs
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I have an account and I never got the email being talked about. My curiosity got the best of me so I went to the site (which is usually a PITA because I only go once per year and have to change the password, which I just had to do!). There was nothing on the site or in my message center about this new thing.
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Old 07-29-2016, 09:55 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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I have an account and I never got the email being talked about. My curiosity got the best of me so I went to the site (which is usually a PITA because I only go once per year and have to change the password, which I just had to do!). There was nothing on the site or in my message center about this new thing.
I also checked and found the same as you. I did, however, remember my password.
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Old 07-29-2016, 10:04 AM
 
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And did she have a computer and use email?

I didn't think so.

I would wager that the subset of seniors who have online accounts, but don't have a cell phone is quite small. If they're not online anyway, then this doesn't really affect them.




Then if you don't want to use a cell phone you can just use your landline to call SSA and get whatever information you need, right?

Or are you really suggesting that SSA should continue to put tens of millions of people's accounts in danger of being hacked because you don't have a cell phone and don't want to be inconvenienced by making a phone call?

What I want is an alternative to obtain the security code to enter by having them give me an alternative to get the security code. I.e. provide my landline number to them and when I go on line to access my account I can click on something to have them call my landline with a number to call to get the number they would normally text to a cell phone.


Many seniors are on line, but, use a landline rather than a cell phone. You usually have one or the other - but, not always both. There should be a way to provide the second level of security via a landline as well as a cell phone.


I rarely need to go on line to My social Security, but, often need to access My Medicare account to see details of Medicare charges. I am concerned that they will also implement the same verification to use my Medicare account.


I am all for a second line of security - that is not the issue. It is the requirement to have only one method to obtain that second level of security for a government web site that would cost me several hundred dollars a year I object to.
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