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Old 11-10-2016, 01:45 PM
 
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Just give me back the entire amount I've paid into SS since I was 13 years old and I'm good. A lump sum would be fine.
Ha ha. That number is readily available on the SSA website. Take that number and minus taxes. How long can you live on that?

 
Old 11-10-2016, 01:52 PM
 
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There's been no fundamental changes to SS since Reagan tinkered with the Taxes payable on SS Income......and that took the full co-operation of Tip O'Neill. I just don't see that kind of bi-partisan effort out of this bunch. And Tip ain't walking thru that door anytime soon.

You may get a few minor tweaks to the Top Salary for FICA wages, or maybe even some Means Testing for higher Income retirees. But a cut in the SS paycheck would cause open rebellion.

And Politicians should learn to stop calling SS an "Entitlement" Program. I paid money into the Trust Fund for years, and I want what is owed to me.
Why would you need bipartisan cooperation when it's a Republican House, Senate, and President?

If congress passes it (and as they are currently discussing removing the fillibuster, there's no reason to think congress couldn't pass anything the republican party dreams of) - it would be up to the president to veto it.

So that's the question - if the republican congress goes after SS; would the new president veto it?

Might not come up in the first 100 days - but privatizing SS has been a priority for the republican party for well over a decade, so my guess is they'd want to do it in the first two years, before midterm elections could possibly change their control of congress.

The new president may not have this as a personal priority, but if he has sympathetic ideas (which some of the literature on his position on social security suggests he does) - he might be unlikely to veto it when it comes across his desk.

I guess we'll know exactly what's going to happen in about 2.5 months time.
 
Old 11-10-2016, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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And we now have a Republican congress so lord only knows what will get passed. God help us.
Take a deep breath. Calm down.
Wash, rinse, repeat.


Trump isn't even in office yet. GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE TO FIX SOME OF OUR PROBLEMS!!!!!
 
Old 11-10-2016, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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I'm not sure which part of any of your points you think was made.

Health Care Costs are rising. Here's one reason why --a list of the highest paid CEO's in the Health Care field....

1. Leonard S. Schleifer, Regeneron Pharmaceuticals (Tarrytown, N.Y.) $47.46 million
2. Jeffrey M. Leiden, Vertex Pharmaceuticals (Boston) $28.09 million
3. Larry J. Merlo, CVS Health (Woonsocket, R.I.) $22.86 million
4. Robert J. Hugin, Celgene (Summit, N.J.) $22.47 million
5. Alex Gorsky, Johnson & Johnson (New Brunswick, N.J.) $21.13 million
6. Michael F. Neidorff, Centene (St. Louis) $20.76 million
7. Alan B. Miller, Universal Health Services (King of Prussia, Pa.) $20.43 million
8. Kenneth C. Frazier, Merck & Co. (Kenilworth, N.J.) $19.89 million
9. Miles D. White, Abbott Laboratories (Chicago) $19.41 million
10. John C. Martin, Gilead Sciences (Foster City, Calif.) $18.76
11. Richard A. Gonzalez, AbbVie (North Chicago, Ill.) $18.53 million
12. Heather Bresch, Mylan (Canonsburg, Pa.) $18.16 million
13. David M. Cordani, Cigna (Bloomfield, Conn.) $17.31 million
14. Mark T. Bertolini, Aetna (Hartford, Conn.) $17.26
15. George A. Scangos, Biogen (Cambridge, Mass.) $16.87 million
16. Robert L. Parkinson, Baxter International (Deerfield, Ill.) $16.65 million
17. John C. Lechleiter, Eli Lilly & Co. (Indianapolis) $16.56 million
18. Marc N. Casper, Thermo Fisher Scientific (Waltham, Mass.) $16.31 million
19. Robert A. Bradway, Amgen (Thousand Oaks, Calif.) $16.09 million
20. George Paz, Express Scripts Holding (St. Louis) $14.84 million
OK - I agree executive pay is outrageous. But I just added up all of these salaries, arriving at a total of $409,840,000. Let's assume there are 50 million people who really need help with healthcare expenses. If the government took ALL of this money, and allocated it to those 50 million, everyone would get about $8.19. So my point is, the executive salaries really aren't the problem.
 
Old 11-10-2016, 03:16 PM
 
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The OP seems determined to keep up the fight twelve hours after it ended.
The ELECTION has ended. The FIGHT is just beginning.
 
Old 11-10-2016, 03:18 PM
 
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Trump isn't even in office yet. GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE TO FIX SOME OF OUR PROBLEMS!!!!!

What gives you the idea he is the least bit interested in fixing ANY of our problems? He just got elected to prove he could - that he could say and do anything he wanted and STILL get elected. No one in this country is safe and we should all be very, very afraid. He is evil, pure and simple.
 
Old 11-10-2016, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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The bedwetters are restless...
 
Old 11-10-2016, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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Well, I'm not sure there's 50 million people that need Health Care. If that be the case, we're in worse shape than I thought. True citizens without Health Care is probably half that number.
And I'm not asking our list of CEO's to work for Free.....but how about a little less. And there are layers upon layers of Assistant Executives, and Executive Assistants at all of these corporations. There are some top heavy payrolls in this Industry simply because of the lack of true competition.

Also, about the bi-partisan effort in a Republican-held Congress......I'm not certain that every Republican wants to attach their name to a major change to Social Security. That kind of thing is hard to sell to your constituency at re-election time. This is not a straight Party Line issue. My suspicion is there would be some Republicans who balk at that kind of legislation.

Perhaps this will illustrate for us the difference between John Boner and Paul Ryan. If Ryan has any aspirations to run for Prez next cycle......he better keep his skirts clean on SS Reform.
 
Old 11-10-2016, 03:52 PM
 
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OK - I agree executive pay is outrageous. But I just added up all of these salaries, arriving at a total of $409,840,000. Let's assume there are 50 million people who really need help with healthcare expenses. If the government took ALL of this money, and allocated it to those 50 million, everyone would get about $8.19. So my point is, the executive salaries really aren't the problem.
That is JUST the top 20. It's absolutely part of the problem.
 
Old 11-10-2016, 04:42 PM
 
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LOL....dozens of meltdown threads all over the forum based upon half-truths and imagination.
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