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Old 12-01-2016, 04:25 AM
 
Location: Retired
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Deficits will increase, as they did under Reagan. Deficits only matter to Republicans when the President is a Democrat. The ACA hurt many people who had income levels starting just above the subsidy level. Unlike Social Security and Medicare which have broad based support, Obamacare did not benefit a large enough portion of the public to survive.
If Trump ends the endless Neocon wars, that would free up a large amount of money. Otherwise, we can count on massive deficits.

 
Old 12-01-2016, 04:55 AM
 
Location: Tucson for awhile longer
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The Lexington Herald-Leader, a prominent Kentucky newspaper, reports in an interesting article that the state's counties with the highest rates of Medicaid usage are also the ones whose citizens voted for candidates who, including Trump and their Congressman, who vowed to decimate the program.

Some of the very citizens who are most dependent on healthcare supplied by Medicaid or the state's own version of Obamacare called "Kynect," admit they voted for Trump and Kentucky Governor-elect Bevins, who both campaigned on a platform of eliminating government-supported healthcare. Asked by a reporter why she would do this, a Medicaid recipient who can't afford necessary blood tests to control her hyperthyroid without government aid replied, "I'm just a die-hard Republican." She's also depends on a county job for what salary she does make as a part-time college student raising a 7-year-old who also gets government healthcare.

According to the article, "... a newspaper prominent in Southeastern Kentucky's largest-circulation newspaper, the Three Forks Tradition in Beattyville, did not say much about Kynect ahead of the election. Instead, its editorials roasted Obama and Hillary Clinton, gay marriage, Islam, 'liberal race peddlers,' 'liberal media,' black criminals and 'the radical Black Lives Matter movement.'"

"The people I talk to, health care wasn't even mentioned," said Gary Cornett, chairman of the Owsley County Republican Party. "In Southeast Kentucky, the social issues are important. We're a small, traditional, tight-knit community, and there are certain ways we do things."

Apparently those ways don't include logic and self-preservation.

Kentucky counties with highest Medicaid rates backed Matt Bevin, who plans to cut Medicaid | Lexington Herald-Leader
 
Old 12-01-2016, 04:57 AM
 
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Ha - I doubt Trump even considered this little wrinkle. He is generally clueless - which in this case - if Price ends up with less influence - will be a good thing.

Oh, indeed. Deniers all over the place - but the reality is tax cuts and repatriation result in stock buybacks and dividends to shareholders, not new jobs. Only demand creates that. Defense and infrastructure will run up the debt like crazy - some of that money coming back in increased tax revenues - but it's still a net deficit according to every reliable study done. Like $3-4Trillion at least, last I read. There's no way to spin tax cuts as a job creator. Never was, never will be. Prepare for inflation and another bust. It's coming.
Sure and the folks on Wall Street don't deny it. It is interesting listening to the hosts and guests on CNBC. They rarely talk about job creation for the middle class, what they do talk about are increased profits and shareholder value.
 
Old 12-01-2016, 05:02 AM
 
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The Lexington Herald-Leader, a prominent Kentucky newspaper, reports in an interesting article that the state's counties with the highest rates of Medicaid usage are also the ones whose citizens voted for candidates who, including Trump and their Congressman, who vowed to decimate the program.

Some of the very citizens who are most dependent on healthcare supplied by Medicaid or the state's own version of Obamacare called "Kynect," admit they voted for Trump and Kentucky Governor-elect Bevins, who both campaigned on a platform of eliminating government-supported healthcare. Asked by a reporter why she would do this, a Medicaid recipient who can't afford necessary blood tests to control her hyperthyroid without government aid replied, "I'm just a die-hard Republican." She's also depends on a county job for what salary she does make as a part-time college student raising a 7-year-old who also gets government healthcare.

According to the article, "... a newspaper prominent in Southeastern Kentucky's largest-circulation newspaper, the Three Forks Tradition in Beattyville, did not say much about Kynect ahead of the election. Instead, its editorials roasted Obama and Hillary Clinton, gay marriage, Islam, 'liberal race peddlers,' 'liberal media,' black criminals and 'the radical Black Lives Matter movement.'"

"The people I talk to, health care wasn't even mentioned," said Gary Cornett, chairman of the Owsley County Republican Party. "In Southeast Kentucky, the social issues are important. We're a small, traditional, tight-knit community, and there are certain ways we do things."

Apparently those ways don't include logic and self-preservation.

Kentucky counties with highest Medicaid rates backed Matt Bevin, who plans to cut Medicaid | Lexington Herald-Leader
A number of folks have been convinced that there is their support programs and then Medicaid for others who are undeserving in their minds. Not realizing it is all the same. Some of these same folks still don't realize that the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing.
 
Old 12-01-2016, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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A number of folks have been convinced that there is their support programs and then Medicaid for others who are undeserving in their minds. Not realizing it is all the same. Some of these same folks still don't realize that the ACA and Obamacare are the same thing.
There is a reason Paul Ryan and others emphasize the need to curtail "entitlement" programs. I will guarantee you that many many Trump voters equate "entitlements" with food stamps, public housing, Medicaid and welfare (TANF) benefits. To them, "entitlements" are benefits that are given to leaches, people who never worked a day in their life, blah blah blah. They have no clue that the largest entitlements are Medicare and Social Security benefits and that these two are the ones that Ryan and others are referring to when they intentionally use the word "entitlements".
 
Old 12-01-2016, 07:22 AM
 
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The Lexington Herald-Leader, a prominent Kentucky newspaper, reports in an interesting article that the state's counties with the highest rates of Medicaid usage are also the ones whose citizens voted for candidates who, including Trump and their Congressman, who vowed to decimate the program.

Some of the very citizens who are most dependent on healthcare supplied by Medicaid or the state's own version of Obamacare called "Kynect," admit they voted for Trump and Kentucky Governor-elect Bevins, who both campaigned on a platform of eliminating government-supported healthcare. Asked by a reporter why she would do this, a Medicaid recipient who can't afford necessary blood tests to control her hyperthyroid without government aid replied, "I'm just a die-hard Republican." She's also depends on a county job for what salary she does make as a part-time college student raising a 7-year-old who also gets government healthcare.

According to the article, "... a newspaper prominent in Southeastern Kentucky's largest-circulation newspaper, the Three Forks Tradition in Beattyville, did not say much about Kynect ahead of the election. Instead, its editorials roasted Obama and Hillary Clinton, gay marriage, Islam, 'liberal race peddlers,' 'liberal media,' black criminals and 'the radical Black Lives Matter movement.'"

"The people I talk to, health care wasn't even mentioned," said Gary Cornett, chairman of the Owsley County Republican Party. "In Southeast Kentucky, the social issues are important. We're a small, traditional, tight-knit community, and there are certain ways we do things."

Apparently those ways don't include logic and self-preservation.

Kentucky counties with highest Medicaid rates backed Matt Bevin, who plans to cut Medicaid | Lexington Herald-Leader
This is one of the most rational looks at how the people voting for Trump have shot themselves, and everyone else sailing on the good ship USA, in the head...
Stupidity is really the answer to the question why did they elect a man so totally opposed to their best interests. Although, I know that is not a politically correct comment---it is just the truth.
If you set a house on fire and refuse to leave, you have a decided death wish...

I have seen it happen time after time in my own state of Texas, where a Republican dominated legislature and governor have ruled for 2-3 decades...and state supported systems like health care, retirement plans for state employees, public services like roads and water management have suffered because Republicans don't believe in "big" government and its role to protect citizens from the caustic depredations of big business...

We are heading down the rabbit hole...
 
Old 12-01-2016, 07:22 AM
 
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There is a reason Paul Ryan and others emphasize the need to curtail "entitlement" programs. I will guarantee you that many many Trump voters equate "entitlements" with food stamps, public housing, Medicaid and welfare (TANF) benefits. To them, "entitlements" are benefits that are given to leaches, people who never worked a day in their life, blah blah blah. They have no clue that the largest entitlements are Medicare and Social Security benefits and that these two are the ones that Ryan and others are referring to when they intentionally use the word "entitlements".
So very true. A few years ago a email was leaked from a member of the Republican legislature in NC saying they needed to convince voters that welfare is all about minorities and not them so we can win their vote and kill programs. Problem is that when they realize it was really about them also their response will be violent. Lenora, what folks forget is that the centers of wealth and power in this country are located in blue areas and yes coastal. Rural America may have won the electoral college but not the election which is the popular vote and was not concentrated in seats of power and wealth. You live in one such area and while moderate Republicans can get elected there, those more on the extreme can't. Tax dollars spent in rural America are disproportionately collected from the more larger metro areas and they will benefit most from the tax cuts.

You may think we have disagreed over the years but we were really on the same page. My perspective being driven more from having transplanted South and having an appreciation of the emerging political reality. Which will quite possibly provoke a violent backlash.

We have often in this program seen posters oppose entitlement programs and argue that SS and Medicare were not entitlement programs. I have often said that folks don't realize that the Medicaid they expect to utilize in their later years is the same pool that pays for the poor they seem to oppose. Ryan does have a scheme for that where Medicaid distinguishes two groups one the disabled which supposedly will include seniors ( the most expensive beneficiaries ).
 
Old 12-01-2016, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Texas
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This is one of the most rational looks at how the people voting for Trump have shot themselves, and everyone else sailing on the good ship USA, in the head...
Stupidity is really the answer to the question why did they elect a man so totally opposed to their best interests. Although, I know that is not a politically correct comment---it is just the truth.
If you set a house on fire and refuse to leave, you have a decided death wish...

I have seen it happen time after time in my own state of Texas, where a Republican dominated legislature and governor have ruled for 2-3 decades...and state supported systems like health care, retirement plans for state employees, public services like roads and water management have suffered because Republicans don't believe in "big" government and its role to protect citizens from the caustic depredations of big business...

We are heading down the rabbit hole...
You can thank a Republican for this:::The $1.6 trillion Texas economy is the second biggest in the U.S., behind only California. Texas ranks first for current economic climate thanks to the second fastest economic growth and third fastest job growth over the past five years.
 
Old 12-01-2016, 07:33 AM
 
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You can thank a Republican for this:::The $1.6 trillion Texas economy is the second biggest in the U.S., behind only California. Texas ranks first for current economic climate thanks to the second fastest economic growth and third fastest job growth over the past five years.
Thank Republican's or thank the energy industry which is now facing headwinds. Is the the following data as reassuring as you would want? Is it to anyone else who bothers to actually digest it? You decide!
Key Economic Indicators As with the US economy it is the future that we all really are keyed on.


Also when ranked per capita and equalizing for population Texas is 14th.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...GDP_per_capita

Also NJ is ahead of Texas and ranked 8th and we know the state of their economy. Illinois is 16th and oh well enough said!

Interesting little state debt to revenue growth chart. I have in reference to your post highlighted Texas but any one can use it to find their own state.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-deb...ebt-clock.html

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Old 12-01-2016, 07:44 AM
 
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Why worry? This will still be pretty much the same Congress that could not agree on anything.
That is totally incorrect...
Obama because he was a Democratic president with a Republican Congress and more evenly balanced Senate was-is the fulcrum power teeters on...

His ability to veto prevented many actions Republicans tried that did get passed by both Houses...and prevented others from gaining traction...because there was not the margin to override his veto...
in the same way Congress played spoil sport and refused almost any compromise efforts to create positive change that would have benefitted all Americans...

Trump is a Republican president in name, if not policy which is still up in the air, but I think it VERY unlikely that any law getting through the House and Senate risks being vetoed by Trump...
And the Senate has relaxed some of the filibuster rules which will make it more difficult for Democrats to put the brakes on choices they really oppose...
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