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Old 12-01-2016, 11:25 AM
 
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Originally Posted by shamrock4 View Post
The amazing result is many of the Trump supporters will be the ones really hurt from losing their safety net in many areas, but unfortunately will take the rest of us down with them.

No wonder Trump said he loved the "poorly educated", also probably meaning the uninformed or those who chose to not believe the warnings. Talk about the fox in the hen house . . .
Trump University anyone? Become a millionaire in real estate learning from his hand picked staff with a curriculum developed by Trump and his real estate team. If you buy that I have a presidency to sell you. If you didn't and still want to buy a presidency I am your man as I will work for YOU!

 
Old 12-01-2016, 11:41 AM
 
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Talk about fear mongering! The guy isn't even in office yet and the Prognosticators are already prophesying doom and gloom. Talk about sore losers! Get a grip, Dems, you have LOST huge swathes of the country because you've been so busy shoving your social agenda down voters' throats that they've abandoned you. You haven't done a THING for rural Democrats who were FAITHFUL with their votes. Like Hispanics and African Americans you have taken them for granted. The voter has spoken. They've decided to give Trump a chance. The country is BANKRUPT and millions of Democrats have joined with Independents and Republicans to try something else. We need a return to sound money principles. We can't continue to earn NOTHING on our retirement savings. Give it a rest.
 
Old 12-01-2016, 11:55 AM
 
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Talk about fear mongering! The guy isn't even in office yet and the Prognosticators are already prophesying doom and gloom. Talk about sore losers! Get a grip, Dems, you have LOST huge swathes of the country because you've been so busy shoving your social agenda down voters' throats that they've abandoned you. You haven't done a THING for rural Democrats who were FAITHFUL with their votes. Like Hispanics and African Americans you have taken them for granted. The voter has spoken. They've decided to give Trump a chance. The country is BANKRUPT and millions of Democrats have joined with Independents and Republicans to try something else. We need a return to sound money principles. We can't continue to earn NOTHING on our retirement savings. Give it a rest.
Not sure this is about political ideology. Seems like most are discussing the comments and plans as announced by those who have won the election. I don't see many whining about losing but I do see most discussing the impact of the programs that those who won are suggesting they will implement.

With victory goes consequences and one of those is inspection, review and discussion of what you say you are going to do. I would suggest that all move on from the election and begin to ponder what impact the current policies and appointments being discussed and acted on will do to their lives. Agree?

As a side note of your comment about swath of the country being lost, I will make a political comment that yes Republicans won and gained land mass but I would remind you that Clinton won people vote and yes loss the land mass vote. Hmmm I wonder how the actual value and impact on GDP the various swaths of lands won and lost compare. How about federal taxes paid. At any rate I apologize for digressing from a good discussion on the future impact of change on peoples lives.

Yes change happens so analyze and prepare folks as you are doing.
 
Old 12-01-2016, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Rememember, tax cuts along with infrastructure spending will break the bank unless social programs are cut
Trump's infrastructure plan is not really an infrastructure plan at all, it's a plan to give investors $167 billion to spend on 'for profit' infrastructure which means that the only projects that would be built would be those that produced a revenue stream for the investors, like toll roads, toll bridges and fee based parking facilities. Even Texans who voted for Trump biglee are not comfortable with it: https://www.texastribune.org/2016/11...n-will-create/
 
Old 12-01-2016, 01:13 PM
 
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Talk about fear mongering! The guy isn't even in office yet and the Prognosticators are already prophesying doom and gloom. Talk about sore losers! Get a grip, Dems, you have LOST huge swathes of the country because you've been so busy shoving your social agenda down voters' throats that they've abandoned you. You haven't done a THING for rural Democrats who were FAITHFUL with their votes. Like Hispanics and African Americans you have taken them for granted. The voter has spoken. They've decided to give Trump a chance. The country is BANKRUPT and millions of Democrats have joined with Independents and Republicans to try something else. We need a return to sound money principles. We can't continue to earn NOTHING on our retirement savings. Give it a rest.

How is this fear mongering if we are reacting to what the winners (aka Republicans) actually said that they would do when they get into office? They want to 'reform' Obamacare and Social Security- what does this actually mean? Do they have a replacement plan in place for when they overturn Obamacare and cancel insurance for millions of people (including those who voted for Trump)? They want to privatize Social Security- what does that mean for retired folk as well as the rest of us?

We get it- Republicans won the election. You have had your time to gloat- now its time to examine the plans that Republicans say that they are going to implement and what their effect might be on the people of this country. Some of these plans are scary because they might affect large numbers of people adversely.
We need more assurances other than 'we'll make America great again" and things will be great. In a little over a month, Trump and the Republicans take office-the time for rhetoric is gone: now is the the time to start putting forth concrete plans for the American public to examine.
 
Old 12-01-2016, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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Trump's proposed 13.5% across-the-board cut in federal spending would result in a cut to Social Security that would reduce the average monthly benefit by $182, from $1,360 in 2017 to $1,177.

If you are a retiree who voted for him- did you not know what his policies were?
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I don't think so. He said he would never do anything to SS. All scare mongering.

Actually, what Trump said was that Hillary Clinton was going to cut their SS and Medicare, which in Republican-speak, meant that he intended to cut SS and Medicare:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrbpi9pbM84



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZAwbzV16rM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR3uEgMjBYs


So, in answer to the OP's questions, anyone who says they didn't know was either A) not paying attention, B) too stupid to understand what Trump was telling them, or C) chose to embrace their fears and hatred of those who are "different" and follow the purveyor of ignorance and ugly divisiveness that is Trump.
 
Old 12-01-2016, 01:37 PM
 
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Originally Posted by shamrock4 View Post
The amazing result is many of the Trump supporters will be the ones really hurt from losing their safety net in many areas, but unfortunately will take the rest of us down with them.
No wonder Trump said he loved the "poorly educated", also probably meaning the uninformed or those who chose to not believe the warnings. Talk about the fox in the hen house . . .
I know...and that is so sad, and as it unfolds there will be posts on these forums about how it was ok to get rid of expanded medicaid and privatize medicare because Trump is going to bring back all our jobs...and when that doesn't happen they will say, "well even if he can't bring back all our jobs he is going to keep out illegals"..when that doesn't pan out it will be something else...
 
Old 12-01-2016, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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Originally Posted by Hollytree View Post
Trump's proposed 13.5% across-the-board cut in federal spending would result in a cut to Social Security that would reduce the average monthly benefit by $182, from $1,360 in 2017 to $1,177.

If you are a retiree who voted for him- did you not know what his policies were?

Well, of course. The Republicans have always cut Social Security every chance they get.
Don't they?
Don't they?
Hello?
What?
The Republicans have never cut Social Security despite Democrats always claiming they will?
Oh, I thought they did.
Never mind, then.
 
Old 12-01-2016, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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Actually, what Trump said was that Hillary Clinton was going to cut their SS and Medicare, which in Republican-speak, meant that he intended to cut SS and Medicare:

Ohhhhh, I get it. Because he didn't say something, that actually means he's "thinking" it. Gotcha. Damn, you Democrats sure is smart.
 
Old 12-01-2016, 02:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Ariadne22 View Post
Another nail in the coffin - new HHS Secy - Tom Price - a proponent of Medicare privatization:and:
Anyone who believes this is a far-fetched outcome had better rethink. Medicare reform could happen very quickly.

One has to believe Trump discussed this issue with Price. So, once again, Trump lies (why are we not surprised) - and contrary to his remarks no cuts/change to Medicare - Trump now has as HHS Secy an eager advocate for same.
Big money rules this country right into the ground. When has deregulation or privatization ever worked out? Its touted as being good for the consumer, cheaper, the fix to all problems.
Turns out not to be any of that but worse.
Then we slowly drift back to some hybrid system that is worse that the original and the rich got richer on the whole scheme.
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