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Old 12-03-2016, 04:12 PM
 
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We might ask why people in this country are unwilling to support national health care for all, free or almost free college, old age income and care, etc. etc. which are commonplace in other developed countries, and many less developed ones too. It's a question of priorities.
Yes, all the benefits you quote are available in Europe where individuals pay a massive amount more in tax.

increased taxation is a hard sell in the USA.

 
Old 12-03-2016, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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We might ask why people in this country are unwilling to support national health care for all, free or almost free college, old age income and care, etc. etc. which are commonplace in other developed countries, and many less developed ones too. It's a question of priorities.
Because we are exceptional?
 
Old 12-03-2016, 04:26 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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No more free college in UK, the country I'm most familiar with. Even with college degree, college graduates are no longer have jobs. Huge taxation reduces growth.
 
Old 12-03-2016, 04:57 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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I've been reading reports on the likely changes that will occur in the next administration, especially in the areas of Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security and one group of citizens that will be negatively impacted are senior citizens in the LGBT community. National LGBT organizations such as the Campaign for Human Rights, the National LGBT Task Force, Lambda Legal Defense Fund, the LGBT Elder Initiative are documenting the fact that every single one of Trump's cabinet and political appointments have a history of hostility and vehement opposition to the LGBT community. Every one of them.

The signal for anti-gay animus was the selection of Governor Pence, who along with North Carolina Governor McCrory, demonstrated themselves to be extreme in their opposition to gay rights. Pence is in favor of so-called "Conversion Therapy" which has been discredited and denounced by the medical establishment all over the world.

This thread is about seniors and their Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. LGBT seniors will be especially impacted because many if not most do not have children or supportive family members to look after them. Contrary to the stereotype of gay and lesbian couples being affluent professionals living in gorgeous homes and traveling the world, the reality is the majority of these seniors were discriminated against in education, hiring, and credit. Many worked in lower paying service jobs. Until just a couple of years ago LGBT Americans were forbidden to serve in any branch of the armed forces and therefore few are eligible for veteran benefits.
 
Old 12-03-2016, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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Trump's proposed 13.5% across-the-board cut in federal spending would result in a cut to Social Security that would reduce the average monthly benefit by $182, from $1,360 in 2017 to $1,177.

If you are a retiree who voted for him- did you not know what his policies were?
Will you stop spreading fear and discontent. Social Security is separate from the federal budget.
 
Old 12-03-2016, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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This thread is about seniors and their Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. LGBT seniors will be especially impacted because many if not most do not have children or supportive family members to look after them. Contrary to the stereotype of gay and lesbian couples being affluent professionals living in gorgeous homes and traveling the world, the reality is the majority of these seniors were discriminated against in education, hiring, and credit. Many worked in lower paying service jobs. Until just a couple of years ago LGBT Americans were forbidden to serve in any branch of the armed forces and therefore few are eligible for veteran benefits.
If these funds are cut, those seniors would be in the same boat as an any other single, childless low income wage earner collecting SS. They would be in the same boat as any senior with no family ties for whatever reason. Let's not forget, the LGBT wasn't/isn't the only group of people in the US to have been discriminated against over the years nor would they be the only people impacted if these programs were cut. I don't see this as a LGBT issue.
 
Old 12-03-2016, 08:04 PM
 
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Trump was going to drain the swamp but it seems like he is relying mainly on insiders and Wall street types. There is probably not much the average person can do about it.
 
Old 12-03-2016, 08:23 PM
 
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Hmmmm as one who has relocated to the South I would say that these folks may have voted against what you consider to be their self interest but it is consistent with their core values and beliefs.
Yes
I agree with that
I see many people in my home state of Texas who do that every election but they usually wind up complaining about their quality of life--because social programs don't effect their lives like better paying jobs, better health care, better schools, better transportation...
They allow themselves to be persuaded that their right to better health care access at reasonable cost is not as important as lower tax rates for big business and special interest groups because politicians and the media they follow have them focus on issues like abortion, gay marriage and sexual identity issues---

Republicans have done a much better job legislating for conservative social issues and making voters believe it is wsy more important to waste millions of dollars on illegal legal manuevers/measures that will lose when appealed or give huge tax incentives to big business or cronies of the gov than to put those monies into public health care or education or bolster the state's portion of state employees' pensions, to raise taxes to build roads rather than sell the idea that toll roads are cheaper (they arrn't)...
 
Old 12-03-2016, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Trump was going to drain the swamp but it seems like he is relying mainly on insiders and Wall street types. There is probably not much the average person can do about it.
Yep, proverbial fox in henhouse. Mnuchin - who made $1.6BILLION in ONE YEAR by buying IndyMac and then did wholesale foreclosures; Wilbur Ross who bought ailing steel/auto/coal firms at steep discounts and dismantled and sold them at steep profits throwing tens of thousands out of work. Same playbook for Romney & Bain Capital - buy a company, outsource the jobs, sell off the assets. It's all about the money. Welfare of citizens/community/country doesn't matter - only profits. It's called capitalism without a conscience. Wonder if these greedy robber barons ever consider being "corporate citizens?" Back in the day when I was growing up, being a good "corporate citizen" was important. At least around here, it was.
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Old 12-03-2016, 08:28 PM
 
Location: too far from the sea
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No more free college in UK, the country I'm most familiar with. Even with college degree, college graduates are no longer have jobs. Huge taxation reduces growth.
That's the country I'm most familiar with too and it's the country of the person I'm married to.

Taxation isn't the problem over there. It's immigration.

The nasty word that no one wants to talk about. For years they had some sort of guilt complex over having been a empire who ruled a lot of the world. To compensate, they allowed millions of Pakistanis and Indians to come into the UK for free--no sponsor, no job, no money. As the British tell you--they were given a free house, free NEW furniture, free schooling for their 18 kids, free everything, including FREE health care that they never even paid into. Then they were allowed to bring in their aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents--who also got everything FREE.

That is what didn't work. The system, as set up for people who paid IN, was working. People who paid IN got totally free health care and the British people loved their NHS. They all got health care and if you wanted to, you could pay a little bit extra and "go private." But overload it with millions of people who never paid INto the system and this is what you get.

The British government finally stopped that several years ago. But, as most British people, if they are being honest, will tell you, the horse was already out of the barn. It was far too late.

The final straw is all the EU members also streaming into the UK. Result=BREXIT. The main reason they left the EU was to finally, once and for all, put a complete stop to all this immigration. There simply is not enough room on that island and there isn't enough money to support people who have never paid one penny into the system.

British people used to be very proud of their health system and they considered it very worthwhile to pay taxes and have peace of mind. No one should have to worry about not being able to afford medical care. Allowing SOME immigrants into the country would have been fine, immigrants who could support themselves or actual refugees, but it went too far and it has drained their system.

They did try free college but it didn't work, of course. I don't think it would have worked here either. Think of how high the taxes would have to be for free college!

I think the British had it pretty good after they recovered from the War and until the massive immigration problems ruined things for the people who had paid in. Here, for those of us who paid IN, we too should get what we were promised. No, many of us cannot tighten our belts now, not at this point in time. You can't change the rules on us after we've out of the game.
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