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Old 01-07-2017, 01:24 PM
 
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Not true. Everybody in my family has colonoscopy at age 50 recently regardless of whether they have family history or not.
did you catch the part where I said "are being replaced"? I had one at 50 too, but as a Kaiser member I get a FIT test in the mail every other year.
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Old 01-07-2017, 01:33 PM
 
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did you catch the part where I said "are being replaced"? I had one at 50 too, but as a Kaiser member I get a FIT test in the mail every other year.
Yes that's Kaiser is like universal health care. No choice. In fact that's what I recommended my daughter to get for health insurance.
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Old 01-07-2017, 01:34 PM
 
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In my opinion we will never have affordable health care as long as insurance companies are part of the equation and we need to find a way to make sure every citizen in the US has healthcare. Since we already have medicare in place and it works well, it seem logical to phase in medicare for all over a period of 5 years or so.
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Old 01-07-2017, 01:36 PM
 
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Right and check my post on why Canadian coming over to US for healthcare. I bet because the cost of health care is not included as we do in USA. Unions have Cadillac health care.

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Old 01-07-2017, 01:46 PM
 
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Canadian healthcare isn't perfect but every Canadian citizen can get it. Canadians who come to the US for treatment are usually the very rich who don't want to wait for treatment. The case in that article was a rare one.

The UK is the same although it's been overly strained by too many immigrants who never even paid into the system. So it's not as great as it was but it's still very good and no one is denied care. They don't have to go to the ER if they don't have health insurance because they ALL have health insurance.

If someone in the UK (and maybe Canada too) wants better health coverage, i.e., quicker access, they can buy a private policy for a fairly cheap price. For instance, if they don't want to wait months for a knee replacement, they have the option to purchase extra insurance and get the knee replacement right away.
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Old 01-07-2017, 01:49 PM
 
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Canadian healthcare isn't perfect but every Canadian citizen can get it. Canadians who come to the US for treatment are usually the very rich who don't want to wait for treatment. The case in that article was a rare one.

The UK is the same although it's been overly strained by too many immigrants who never even paid into the system. So it's not as great as it was but it's still very good and no one is denied care. They don't have to go to the ER if they don't have health insurance because they ALL have health insurance.

If someone in the UK (and maybe Canada too) wants better health coverage, i.e., quicker access, they can buy a private policy for a fairly cheap price. For instance, if they don't want to wait months for a knee replacement, they have the option to purchase extra insurance and get the knee replacement right away.
Yes same here in USA. You don't get denied at a teaching hospital either. Doesn't matter if you have insurance or not. I've met people who have diabetes, people who are young, working with no health insurance. The wait is long. My husband had a fall, blood was coming out of his head and he had to wait 7 hours. If I didn't threaten to leave they wouldn't stitch him.
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Old 01-07-2017, 03:56 PM
 
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Read it more carefully, "estimates that 52,513 Canadians received non-emergency medical treatment in the U.S. and other countries in 2014". Unfortunately the study didn't break down which countries they received care in, they just compiled the number of those reporting receiving care outside of Canada. That number would include people receiving care while on vacation, working in another country, or obtaining hair transplants in Turkey which seems to be all the rage. or maybe for a trip to Brazil for a butt lift. The reality is that 53,000 people is a tiny portion of their population ~.15% went out of country, possibly to the US for healthcare. Your source did not really provide a very compelling case for the point you were trying to make.

I have friends in Canada, one of them is a Doctor. The system is not perfect but people don't die due to lack of healthcare, nor do they go bankrupt or have to forego healthcare because they can't pay the rent and afford to go see a physician. What we have only works for people who can benefit from employee provided healthcare and the very wealthy for whom the costs of healthcare are trivial.

We can do better than this, we might have some of the best specialists in the world but that doesn't help the average person if they can't afford healthcare.
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Old 01-07-2017, 04:05 PM
 
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Yes same here in USA. You don't get denied at a teaching hospital either. Doesn't matter if you have insurance or not. I've met people who have diabetes, people who are young, working with no health insurance. The wait is long. My husband had a fall, blood was coming out of his head and he had to wait 7 hours. If I didn't threaten to leave they wouldn't stitch him.
The only federal mandate for care for the uninsured is for emergencies, under EMTALA. Some teaching hospitals have charity clinics but they are not required to offer free non-emergent care
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Old 01-07-2017, 06:29 PM
 
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I'd say we have to plan appropriately. One plan is to work later in life, but there are other plans. My personal plan, beginning when I was in my early 20s, was to assume SS won't be there for me at all. I semi-retired by 40 and fully retired before 50. I won't quality for SS for another 7 years.
You are lucky. You recognize that most are unable to do that? Even hard working citizens who don't buy unnecessary electronics or run up debt?

I was really poor in my early years. Then I later made pretty good money, considering what my prospects had been. I saved and sacrificed (as a single female, I never made the kind of money that a man would have made, so I had to take extreme measures to try to make that up in other ways). I ended up early retiring at about 60 (not my plan...long story). I will be fine because of my investments and frugality, and I sold my pricier house and am buying down (sad).

But I recognize that most people are unable to do that. They got paid less, had kids, maybe had health problems or kids had health problems, natural disasters, or they were working class.

Most people can't do that. That is precisely why Social Security was devised. If SS is taken away, then Medicare will become "privatized," too, and things will go back to the way they were before. We know that story. The majority of seniors will live in true poverty, despite having worked for decades.

There are all levels of workers in the country. The lower level(s) should get some sort of assistance from their country in their senior years, to ensure they don't have to sell their homes for food or a car repair or to pay for cancer treatments.
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Old 01-07-2017, 06:39 PM
 
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The only federal mandate for care for the uninsured is for emergencies, under EMTALA. Some teaching hospitals have charity clinics but they are not required to offer free non-emergent care
They were free, required or not. Top medical students there too. How else do they get their training. My neighbors are both doctors and they complained when they were training in La Jolla, they didn't get their practice.
When my husband was in a hospital for a week, he shared it with a homeless guy. We had good insurance, but it makes no difference as in we were not treated differently, except we had the privilege of paying the bill, our portion, the other guy didn't. The guy told my husband when he checked out that he was homeless.
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