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Old 01-18-2017, 04:51 PM
 
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Most people associate with those who live in somewhat similar circumstances. Just because you have no experience with those who have not found a way, does not mean that they don't exist or used to exist.
they exist , they will make due with what they have and life goes on .they always have and always will. whether we talk about it or not does not change their balance .
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Old 01-18-2017, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Metropolis IL
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You don't think that 99.9% of all cell phones are being bought on a payment plan?
Yes, but the expenditure is low. I've never understood why the fiscal warriors throw modern smartphones into the same basket with luxury cars and homes, when they decide to attack people for lack of budgeting.

Obviously, many don't remember the pre-deregulation era of the Ma Bell monopoly. Inflation adjusted, those old landline phones and their one size fits all service plans were far more expensive than any wireless plan today. And I'm not even including the exorbitant long distance fees. Yet, having a phone was seen as a necessity for most folks, and not a subject of criticism by financial busy bodies like it is today.
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Old 01-19-2017, 12:34 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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This topic is moot because most of the world is well on its way to a universal income anyways.

You can see it coming. Just look at the banks reluctant to lend, jobs not paying what they should be paying people, etc.

I give it 10 years max before it happens. Too many old people barely staying afloat for it not to.
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Old 01-19-2017, 02:56 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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This topic is moot because most of the world is well on its way to a universal income anyways.

You can see it coming. Just look at the banks reluctant to lend, jobs not paying what they should be paying people, etc.

I give it 10 years max before it happens. Too many old people barely staying afloat for it not to.
Your post is a series of non-sequiturs and overly vague assertions. How about some specifics, such as in what way(s), exactly, is "most of the world" well on its way to a universal income? Old people, as a group, are doing quite well. As for the minority who are "barely staying afloat", how many, exactly, is "too many"? Banks reluctant to lend??? If banks don't lend, they remove a major portion of their own profitability. Jobs not paying people what they should be paying??? All jobs? If not, which jobs then? How much, exactly, should people get paid? Which people, with which skills and experience? Brain surgeons? Day laborers? Bank tellers?

Universal income is a nightmare scenario. If we think our generous safety nets have weakened inventives for people to provide for themselves, wait until everybody automatically gets enough to live on. At that point, the system will collapse on itself.
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Old 01-19-2017, 03:03 AM
 
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Yes, but the expenditure is low. I've never understood why the fiscal warriors throw modern smartphones into the same basket with luxury cars and homes, when they decide to attack people for lack of budgeting.

Obviously, many don't remember the pre-deregulation era of the Ma Bell monopoly. Inflation adjusted, those old landline phones and their one size fits all service plans were far more expensive than any wireless plan today. And I'm not even including the exorbitant long distance fees. Yet, having a phone was seen as a necessity for most folks, and not a subject of criticism by financial busy bodies like it is today.
technology is far cheaper today on everything so the point is if you are hurting budget wise go for a cheaper plan and phone .


we can well afford it , and yet my wife has a smart phone and i have a good ole flip phone that just talks to people . my bill is 500 a year less than hers . i just don't feel the need to stare at my phone all day .
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Old 01-19-2017, 05:22 AM
 
Location: RVA
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Universal income in 10 years max?? No way, no how in the USA. Keep on dreaming. Zero basis for that conclusion. If countries like Greece, or India, or China, with either little or no fiscal responsibility or populations growing faster than their economy grows don't have it, and shown no signs, then the capitalist countries are even further behind. The USA can't even get behind universal health care that most other countries have! Keep dreaming and typing it to convince yourself.
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Old 01-19-2017, 06:25 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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Universal income in 10 years max?? No way, no how in the USA. Keep on dreaming. Zero basis for that conclusion. If countries like Greece, or India, or China, with either little or no fiscal responsibility or populations growing faster than their economy grows don't have it, and shown no signs, then the capitalist countries are even further behind. The USA can't even get behind universal health care that most other countries have! Keep dreaming and typing it to convince yourself.
They can't get behind it because the states are the greediest country on the planet. They be like "I got mine, if you can't get yours just die on the streets" lol. Health care is a right, not a matter of can you afford it like the states picture it to be.
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Old 01-19-2017, 06:29 AM
 
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healthcare is a right ? gee i don't remember seeing retirement or healthcare in the bill of rights
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Old 01-19-2017, 09:16 AM
 
Location: RVA
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The simple solution is for one to move to a country that has universal health care. Greed is universal. It's just easier to appear to be greedy in the US, because financial success is an often admired goal and achievable. The US also spends more providing humanitarian aid and relief than any other country in the world. You never hear of people born in the US trying to immigrate to other countries in order to seek their fortune.
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Old 01-19-2017, 09:19 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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Your post is a series of non-sequiturs and overly vague assertions. How about some specifics, such as in what way(s), exactly, is "most of the world" well on its way to a universal income? Old people, as a group, are doing quite well. As for the minority who are "barely staying afloat", how many, exactly, is "too many"? Banks reluctant to lend??? If banks don't lend, they remove a major portion of their own profitability. Jobs not paying people what they should be paying??? All jobs? If not, which jobs then? How much, exactly, should people get paid? Which people, with which skills and experience? Brain surgeons? Day laborers? Bank tellers?

Universal income is a nightmare scenario. If we think our generous safety nets have weakened inventives for people to provide for themselves, wait until everybody automatically gets enough to live on. At that point, the system will collapse on itself.
More people will stay home watch TV and smoke pots all day. It's already a problem with some retirees. I know my sister would watch Korean soap all day, if not for her job, she would stay up till 6 am and then sleep late, doesn't get up until 3:00pm. It's only a matter of days or years before they get sick. Yes my sister is already sick for not exercising. I consider that suicidal slowly. 10 years on universal income and a lot will be dead.
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