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Old 01-19-2017, 09:27 AM
 
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healthcare is a right ? gee i don't remember seeing retirement or healthcare in the bill of rights
Its kind of in the Preamble

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Can be interpreted in several ways. To me it means we keep striving to have all the people of this country a decent life - including healthcare. You can't lead a horse to water, but if it wants to get there, you shouldn't put obscene obstacles in the way.
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Old 01-19-2017, 09:30 AM
 
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Its kind of in the Preamble

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Can be interpreted in several ways. To me it means we keep striving to have all the people of this country a decent life - including healthcare. You can't lead a horse to water, but if it wants to get there, you shouldn't put obscene obstacles in the way.
It has never been until late 1990s. I don't know what happened to make everything skyrocketed since . We never had limit on health insurance either, at least I don't remember the limit until the last 5 years before ACA.

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Old 01-19-2017, 09:55 AM
 
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It has never been until late 1990s. I don't know what happened to make everything skyrocketed since . We never had limit on health insurance either, at least I don't remember the limit until the last 5 years before ACA.
The preamble hasn't been aroun since the 1990s??

Anyway. I was wondering about this healthcare thing as I shuttle siblings and others from appointment to appointment. I wonder are they really sick? Are people's lives just being prolonged unnecessarily? Is it all just a money making operation.

And then as someone here mentioned, people are so lax with their health.

I've just seen so much these last few months.
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Old 01-19-2017, 10:45 AM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, originally from SF Bay Area
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Its kind of in the Preamble

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Can be interpreted in several ways. To me it means we keep striving to have all the people of this country a decent life - including healthcare. You can't lead a horse to water, but if it wants to get there, you shouldn't put obscene obstacles in the way.
Interpretation of the constitution is the job of the U.S. Supreme Court. The preamble is not law, it's only giving the reason for establishment of the constitution. The electoral method of choosing a president, for example, is outlined in detail in Article II, Section 1. Healthcare is not addressed in the constitution.
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Old 01-19-2017, 11:11 AM
 
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Interpretation of the constitution is the job of the U.S. Supreme Court. The preamble is not law, it's only giving the reason for establishment of the constitution. The electoral method of choosing a president, for example, is outlined in detail in Article II, Section 1. Healthcare is not addressed in the constitution.
The supreme court has referred to the preamble. Provide for the common defence - no one questions that.

Why do we question "promote the general welfare" to not mean make sure everyone is happy and healthy?

of course it can't be 100%, but why not try?
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Old 01-19-2017, 12:25 PM
 
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they exist , they will make due with what they have and life goes on .they always have and always will. whether we talk about it or not does not change their balance .
You don't anyone who has died alone and not found for days? Educated people who were at one point self-sufficient have fallen on hard times? You must be living in a bubble. Life went on for you, but not for them.
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Old 01-19-2017, 12:27 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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The preamble hasn't been aroun since the 1990s??

Anyway. I was wondering about this healthcare thing as I shuttle siblings and others from appointment to appointment. I wonder are they really sick? Are people's lives just being prolonged unnecessarily? Is it all just a money making operation.

And then as someone here mentioned, people are so lax with their health.

I've just seen so much these last few months.
No I meant the health care as a right. The preamble has been around almost 250 years but only recently did people demand that as a right.
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Old 01-19-2017, 12:27 PM
 
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You don't anyone who has died alone and not found for days? Educated people who were at one point self-sufficient have fallen on hard times? You must be living in a bubble. Life went on for you, but not for them.

huh????????????????



what does that have to do with them living in retirement financially on the dollars they have ? zero , that is what, which is what my statement refers to .

you have folks all over the country getting by on just their tiny ss checks and whatever assistance they can get when they have to and they get through retirement one way or another.

i have no clue how people dying alone got in this . i don't see anyone discussing people dying alone here . do you just type things to argue ?
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Old 01-19-2017, 12:37 PM
 
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what crisis ?

most people find a way to make whatever they have work . they may not be thrilled with the lifestyle but they always seem to find a way .

folks would be better off worrying about their own retirements than poking their nose in to others .


You seem to have the attitude "I've got mine, the heck with everyone else." How about just good old compassion and morality about alleviating the suffering of others. Now, I would agree with you that blatant bad behavior should not be rewarded. But what about the people who did the "right thing," worked hard in school and at work, saved their money, no criminal activity, didn't abuse their bodies with drugs or drink or food. But life threw them a curve ball-illness, illness in the family, responsibility to be a caregiver. And their finances suffered for it and they don't have any family left to help them out. Sheesh.
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Old 01-19-2017, 12:40 PM
 
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how about sticking to the topic and the facts .
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