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Old 02-03-2017, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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The difference is speed. Slow-moving, bumper-to-bumper traffic is the same everywhere, but merging onto a freeway where the traffic is heavy but still moving fast is more difficult for many people than merging on slower local roads.
I find the opposite to be true. The faster the flow of traffic, the more space (on average) there is between cars, which means there is almost always a space large enough to move into comfortably. Whereas if traffic is moving at, say, a stop to 20 mph, the spaces are pretty closed up and it's harder to find one to merge into.

The absolute easiest merging is when the speeds are 70 to 80 mph (which means things are not congested, of course) for the reasons given.

Just to clarify, the speed limits on the freeways in the greater Los Angeles area are usually 65, and occasionally 55, but the faster traffic frequently moves at 80 anyway, conditions permitting. That is not to say that everyone drives 80, conditions permitting. Many people actually obey the speed limits.
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Old 02-03-2017, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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How would getting on a freeway make any difference? Congestion is congestion whereever you find it.
I would rather be stalled on a two lane than stalled on a twelve lane expressway. Much less likelihood of other motorists causing more problems, either rage related or accident, once original issue is resolved.
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Old 02-04-2017, 02:19 PM
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Location: North Monterey County
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How would getting on a freeway make any difference? Congestion is congestion whereever you find it.
Have you driven the I-15 through the valley here?

Freeway driving here is treacherous.
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Old 02-04-2017, 02:22 PM
mlb
 
Location: North Monterey County
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mlb, I know what you mean by looking forward to no commute! Not needing to commute daily was one of my biggest happiness points upon retirement. I hated the commute. And the commute going home could take FOREVER.

Unlike you, mine was all by bus - and there were lots of problems with the bus system - buses being VERY late, buses not showing up, getting caught in complete traffic gridlock for eons. It was unique to the city in which I was living. So I wish you a happy life WITHOUT hectic commutes upon retirement. Commutes can put a damper upon one's days.
Thank you for this.

I used to commute 45 minutes away via freeway and clogged city streets up to the University.

I was ALWAYS angry by the time I got home each night.

Probably took years off my life doing that....
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Old 02-04-2017, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Have you driven the I-15 through the valley here?

Freeway driving here is treacherous.

I accept that your perception is that it is "treacherous".


I have driven Interstate Highways (freeways) all over this country, through Southern and Northern California, Oregon, Washington, into Canada, back down into Kansas, eastbound through Kansas City, St. Louis, to Buffalo, New York, on down to Washington, D.C., into Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, up through to Little Rock, Arkansas, then westbound through Oklahoma, New Mexico, Arizona, back to Los Angeles. Some of those stretches I have driven multiple times. I have driven I-10 multiple times in both directions through the entire width of Texas, including through Houston and Beaumont.


Although I have experienced frustrating and maddening congestion in many, many places (St. Louis, Atlanta, Washington D.C., Baton Rouge, Louisiana, to name just a few) never have I experienced any "treacherous" places to drive. And don't forget, I drive the Los Angeles freeways at least once a week and often several times a week. (Whether I use the freeway system or not depends on where I am going).


If you are convinced something is so, then it certainly will be so, as you experience it. It would be interesting for me to sit as a passenger in your car on those "treacherous" freeways in order to observe the conditions and your driving skills and emotional reactions. It is quite possible I would be scared to death, but not necessarily of the same things which frighten you.
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Old 02-05-2017, 07:49 AM
mlb
 
Location: North Monterey County
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In the runup to the 2002 Winter Olympic Games where Utah got federal funds to expand the I-15 throughout the Salt Lake Valley from a 2-lane highway to a 6 lane expressway - I was commuting on it.

In Winter.

We referred to it as the "Luge" run.

Do that every day for a couple of years and you will be DONE with freeway driving.

And yes, it was worse than driving in LA, San Francisco, and anywhere else I have driven long distances to work.
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Old 02-05-2017, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Central NY
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No matter how you see safety in speed or slow, it only takes ONE mistake to cure or kill you. IMHO (one who lived to tell it).
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