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Old 07-03-2017, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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I'm a doctor.


Whether from tobacco, marijuana, burning rubber, or forest fire, inhaling smoke damages the lungs. PERIOD. Cancer is another matter, and only a fool would believe that marijuana can reduce cancer or prevent it. You want to get high, that's your doing, but don't lie to yourselves.
Show me the numbers doc, you sound confident so let's see the data. I'll check back later thanks.
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Old 07-03-2017, 10:54 AM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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Only advice I have for those who may be contemplating use is--use as little as you can get by with,
and NEVER smoke the crap. It contains as much carcinogens as tobacco although it appears to have a lesser impact on the body.
Even if that assertion were true (it isn't)... the difference is scale even if smoked.
Consumption patterns of MJ, even for the
Spicoli's of the world, is a small volume.
Far , far (FAR!) less volume than what tobacco smokers will consume.
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Old 07-03-2017, 11:30 AM
 
Location: San Angelo, TX
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Take care.

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Smoking marijuana clearly damages the human lung, and regular use leads to chronic bronchitis and can cause an immune-compromised person to be more susceptible to lung infections. No one should be exposed to secondhand marijuana smoke.
Marijuana and Lung Health | American Lung Association
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Old 07-03-2017, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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The American Lung Assn would hardly be a cutting edge organization, they'll wait to publish until God comes down from Heaven armed with a bank of FDA blessed research results. And they admit: "The American Lung Association encourages continued research into the health effects of marijuana use, as the benefits, risks and safety of marijuana use for medical purposes require further study."

And no mention of a link to cancer. Don't you the think the absence of cases of cancer due to cannabis signals something good? or is it just blind luck (on millions of long-term cases by now)

BTW, bronchitis and lung infections can easily be avoided by cannabis smokers if they have any discipline at all. Just get regular aerobic exercise and don't chain-smoke like its cigarettes.
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Old 07-03-2017, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Houston/Brenham
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Quit spreading garbage, this is 100% BS. About half a million people each year die from tobacco in the US, and this when smoking rates are down to 15%.

Cannabis smoke reduces tumors and very likely offers prevention from cancer. Why don't we all know a ton of people who are suffering from pot induced lung cancer? Because It doesn't happen.
You can't honestly believe that? While I have no doubt pot smoking is less lethal than cigarettes, how can you believe breathing smoke into your lungs is beneficial for your lungs?

Scale probably has something to do with it, as does the fact MJ is simply less lethal than tobacco. People that smoke (so I've heard ) smoke a joint or two a day. Cigs are a pack or two a day. No comparison.

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The American Lung Assn would hardly be a cutting edge organization,
You can't have it both ways. You ask for proof, then when it's given you deny the validity of it.

I got no dog in this hunt. I smoke pot, and know it's probably doing something to me. I also know I smoke so little (comparatively) that I'm not going to worry about it. But to deny it totally is blinding yourself to the truth.
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Old 07-03-2017, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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You can't honestly believe that? While I have no doubt pot smoking is less lethal than cigarettes, how can you believe breathing smoke into your lungs is beneficial for your lungs?

Scale probably has something to do with it, as does the fact MJ is simply less lethal than tobacco. People that smoke (so I've heard ) smoke a joint or two a day. Cigs are a pack or two a day. No comparison.


You can't have it both ways. You ask for proof, then when it's given you deny the validity of it.

I got no dog in this hunt. I smoke pot, and know it's probably doing something to me. I also know I smoke so little (comparatively) that I'm not going to worry about it. But to deny it totally is blinding yourself to the truth.
Then show me the deaths man, show me the cases of cancer, I don't give a toss about bronchitis or minor lung issues, you can get those from your co-worker or your garage. No researcher has ever been able to link cannabis with cancer. I didn't get proof from the doctor on this site, I got a dry page from the ALA.
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Old 07-03-2017, 02:59 PM
 
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Show me the numbers doc, you sound confident so let's see the data. I'll check back later thanks.
"damages the lungs" is not equal to cancer. you've conflated two different issues in defending your stance.
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Old 07-03-2017, 04:02 PM
 
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I'm a doctor.


Whether from tobacco, marijuana, burning rubber, or forest fire, inhaling smoke damages the lungs. PERIOD. Cancer is another matter, and only a fool would believe that marijuana can reduce cancer or prevent it. You want to get high, that's your doing, but don't lie to yourselves.

Danbo, somewhat off topic but I rarely run into a MD here. Is it true the FDA is putting the fear of God into physicians who prescribe opioid painkillers by threatening to suspend/revoke their licenses if they do?
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Old 07-03-2017, 04:18 PM
 
Location: San Angelo, TX
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Well, I have always been a hospital based physician, and I only prescribe opioids intravenously when the patient is being treated in the hospital; I do not treat drug addiction. I refer patients who I find may need oral opioid prescriptions to pain specialists. Here in Texas, physicians prescriptions are audited by a state agency. Prescribing excessive opioids can result in a medical license being suspended or revoked (happens every week), AND can be considered criminal (even if not done intentionally for financial benefit). Also, recently a few physicians (in the US) have been criminally prosecuted for homicide for deaths that have been determined a result of prescribed opioids.
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Old 07-03-2017, 05:47 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Then show me the deaths man, show me the cases of cancer, I don't give a toss about bronchitis or minor lung issues, you can get those from your co-worker or your garage. No researcher has ever been able to link cannabis with cancer. I didn't get proof from the doctor on this site, I got a dry page from the ALA.
I had a coworker who smoked hash daily for many years. He developed cancer of the esophagus, had to have disfiguring mouth surgery and afterward he could only have a liquid diet. The cancer eventually killed him. I could easily believe that the daily hash smoking was a contributing factor, if not the cause.

Putting any burning material into your lungs is not going to be a good thing. It's just common sense. And it's true that MJ smokers hold the smoke in longer, but as astrolab pointed out that few cannabis users smoke all day and all night long like cigarette smokers do, so this may reduce the risk.

Now don't get me wrong, I am a cannabis advocate. I use it daily (vaping or edibles, not smoking), and I believe it has many legitimate medical uses, many which are yet to be discovered. The problem is that the FDA's Schedule I designation has effectively prevented any scientific research into the possible benefits and risks of cannabis. So not even a physician like Danbo 1957 can say with certainly whether there is a relationship between smoking weed and cancer. We also don't know yet whether cannabis can be used to prevent or treat cancers. The jury is still out.
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