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Old 02-22-2017, 10:40 AM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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She claims that our public pension retirement counselor (state government) advised her how to do it, then posted on FB she "couldn't pass up this financial opportunity to retire early." She encouraged me to make an appointment and ask about it although, as I said, I have no intention of doing so. Her new home business is supposedly an LLC, "licensed and insured," so I assume she takes other than cash payments under the table and will report income to the IRS? Unless that's a lie, too. Funny!
Sounds like she's gotten involved in some MLM scam and is trying to recruit you.
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Old 02-22-2017, 10:52 AM
 
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Otterhere, please just report back after getting from her EXACTLY what she's doing and how she's doing it.

Until we get that info there's nothing more to eve say about it. How many more times can it be posted that it can't be straight SS that she's getting with out a scam.

So please find out and report back. If she's such a 'friend' she's tell you exactly what the deal is. Why be coy about it.
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Old 02-22-2017, 11:03 AM
 
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No. We currently have no such "window" available, although we have in the past. She specified that the state pension itself wouldn't have allowed her to retire early; she needed that unexpected boost from the SS option which, apparently, doesn't exist. Who knows?
She won the lottery and doesn't want anyone to know. Therefore, she is making up other reasons as to how she can survive financially to throw her acquaintances off the scent.
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Old 02-22-2017, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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well it's true , the system is filled with fraud and abuse . the court shows are all a random sampling of what is going on in general . it is not just her show .

so many seem to do construction work or other work then without realizing it sue for their money . she is the best though , the other shows don't do what she does and forward the tapes on to disability . yet these fools still keep going on the shows .

the disability fund is just as abused and filled with fraud as all the other welfare programs . my son was an investigator for welfare in nyc .
Yeah, and I wrote Social Security decisions at the hearing level after reading every friggin medical record that came across my desk. I fully understand how the game is played. There was an investigation and the Inspector General did not find rampant fraud in the disability program. Now, if you want to discuss tax fraud or bank fraud - no problem. I would love to see the Commander-in-Thief's tax returns.

It's interesting that no one ever mentions that after the majority of boomers worked their way through the peak years associated with the greatest risk of becoming disabled, the award of benefits was significantly reduced, as predicted. Must have been a coincidence, huh.
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Old 02-22-2017, 03:49 PM
 
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She is either:


A. A liar


B. This has something to do with the thing she was telling you about earlier, the "opportunity" you don't want to miss.


C. She is scamming the SS System (somehow).
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Old 02-22-2017, 03:55 PM
 
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Yeah, and I wrote Social Security decisions at the hearing level after reading every friggin medical record that came across my desk. I fully understand how the game is played. There was an investigation and the Inspector General did not find rampant fraud in the disability program. Now, if you want to discuss tax fraud or bank fraud - no problem. I would love to see the Commander-in-Thief's tax returns.

It's interesting that no one ever mentions that after the majority of boomers worked their way through the peak years associated with the greatest risk of becoming disabled, the award of benefits was significantly reduced, as predicted. Must have been a coincidence, huh.
all of us here can likely name people we know very well collecting disability and shouldn't be . sorry i don't buy it . the disability system is full of fraud and abuse\

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/vide...fraud-23666258


as john merline wrote :

A record 5.4 million workers and their dependents have signed up to collect federal disability checks according to the latest official government data, as discouraged workers increasingly give up looking for jobs and take advantage of the federal program.

This is straining already-stretched government finances while posing a long-term economic threat by creating an ever-growing pool of permanently dependent working-age Americans.

Since the recession ended in June 2009, the number of new enrollees to Social Security’s disability insurance program is twice the job growth figure. In just the first four months of this year,

539,000 joined the disability rolls and more than 725,000 put in applications.

As a result, by April there were a total of 10.8 million people on disability, according to Social Security Administration data released this week. Even after accounting for all those who’ve left the program — about 700,000 drop out each year, mainly because they hit retirement age or died — that’s up 53% from a decade ago.

The main causes of this broader trend, according to a study by economists David Autor and Mark Duggan, are the loosening of eligibility rules by Congress in 1984, the rise in disability benefits relative to wages, and the fact that more women have entered the workforce, making them eligible for disability.

Their research found that the aging of the population has contributed only modestly to the program’s growth."

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Old 02-22-2017, 04:11 PM
 
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all of us here can likely name people we know very well collecting disability and shouldn't be . sorry i don't buy it . the disability system is full of fraud and abuse

Absolutely untrue. I know so many people who have SS Disability and people talk behind their back about how healthy they seem and how they can go golfing, but can't work.


I am on SS Disability myself and people look at me and wonder why. The answer is that it is nobody's business. You have to go through an exhausting amount of paperwork and proof, as well as an exam by SS's doctor of choice before you ever get approved. Most people get denied several times.


The disability system is in no way full of fraud. Proof and more proof and even more proof is required every step of the way.
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Old 02-22-2017, 04:15 PM
 
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Many, many diagnoses for which people are approved for disability payments CAN'T be "proved and proved again." You say you're depressed or anxious or traumatized or phobic or have constant pain; that isn't scientificially measurable. And then there's morbid obesity. So, yeah, there's plenty of fraud. But we're getting a bit off-topic here.
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Old 02-22-2017, 04:20 PM
 
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yep , plenty of fraud goes on just like any other welfare system . why does anyone think for 1 second why it would be any different .


from the office of inspector general here in nyc where 106 were busted .


The 106 people indicted include 102 disability beneficiaries and four middlemen, or facilitators—two ‘recruiters,’ an attorney, and a disability consultant. To date, 105 beneficiaries have been arrested, including the four facilitators. All have been charged with varying degrees of grand larceny. Additional indictments and arrests are expected in the coming months as we continue this investigation.

CONCLUSION
The arrest operation in New York is the culmination of a lengthy and complex investigation into a widespread disability fraud scheme among a group of facilitators and numerous beneficiaries, and is evidence of the OIG’s continuing and even increasing focus on large-scale, facilitator-based fraud.

The scope of this fraud scheme is vast and disturbing to me and my office, and we will likely see more arrests of beneficiaries involved in this conspiracy, as well as other cases arising from the work of the Disability Fraud Pilot and the CDI program.

We are committed to identifying and pursuing all forms of disability fraud, as this and other recent large-scale investigations demonstrate. We will continue to do everything we can, as resources allow, to identify these schemes and pursue prosecution of all individuals who abuse government programs and waste taxpayer funds, while simultaneously conducting audits and evaluations of SSA’s disability program to reduce its vulnerability to fraud.


http://oig.ssa.gov/newsroom/congress...estimony/jan16

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Old 02-22-2017, 04:39 PM
 
Location: On the road
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Yep, it seems like disability benefits to me. Ask her in what way she's disabled. That ought to call forth an interesting response.
Fibromyalgia to the rescue!
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