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Old 02-27-2017, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Northern panhandle WV
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Or, they can go back to work, like most of us older folks. Some do it for money, some do it to feel important again.
And some are to ill to do it!
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Old 02-27-2017, 02:40 PM
 
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then they are resigned to cost sharing and finding away to make things work . no one ever said failing financially or committing financial suicide through life was going to lead to a nice retirement life .
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Old 02-27-2017, 02:40 PM
 
Location: next up where ever I go
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Most of the subs are either women in their sixties and beyond that need the money or those trying to find a teaching job that also need the money. I know...I worked with these women. Not a lot of men. A few. If you were a teacher and still have your teaching license you can sometimes make a deal outside of the agency. There are not many. Schools say they can't afford them.

I have never met a woman that subbed for pin money. The job is way to tough just for fun money. Especially in Indiana.

The subs are contractors for a well known agency. What the agency gets is another story.
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Old 02-27-2017, 03:01 PM
 
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I just cannot comprehend what will happen to folks without funds with the proposed federal Medicaid cuts coming, including what that will do to an already floundering skilled nursing facility or home care system. They have already cut back in my state, on top of not expanding Medicaid.

I know quite a few families where Mom or Dad went through their money and then Medicaid picked up their costs. How will that happen with severe cuts? They already are paying the CNAs practically nothing.

I can't imagine how this situation will improve as the baby boomers move through the system.
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Old 02-27-2017, 03:04 PM
 
Location: next up where ever I go
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MathJac,

Agree in part and disagree in part:

Women have been expected to do the heavy lifting in the home. It is called the Second Shift. It is still alive and well in this Family Values BS in the country.

Do you really want a care taker that is paid minimum wage to raise your infant! That is absurd. No, grandparents don't always take care of the grands, or should they, given their retirement is now an unpaid 10 hour a day baby sitter.

I do agree that SS appears to side with the married couple, one that stays home and keeps the hearth burning and the man goes out and wins the bread. It is a fallacy and a myth. But SS still coddles that myth.

My parents worked factory jobs for their entire lives...however....my mother was expected to do the second shift. My father said, point blank, that the woman does the home work. He does not. He is the man and he does not do woman's work.

We children also did the Second Shift. School, part time work to pay for living expenses, and chores...lots of them.

Personal choice. My mother gave my father her paycheck until she said no at 37 years of age. She divorced him at 40.

Getting to be married and to build a future together is no longer a personal choice. It is the luck of the draw given our divorce laws and our divorce rates.

I am happy for any couple that can and will make it for the long haul. But it is not reality for most.

Now that is reality.
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Old 02-27-2017, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Most of the subs are either women in their sixties and beyond that need the money or those trying to find a teaching job that also need the money. I know...I worked with these women. Not a lot of men. A few. If you were a teacher and still have your teaching license you can sometimes make a deal outside of the agency. There are not many. Schools say they can't afford them.

I have never met a woman that subbed for pin money. The job is way to tough just for fun money. Especially in Indiana.

The subs are contractors for a well known agency. What the agency gets is another story.

Interesting. Around here the school districts hire their own substitutes. There is no "agency". It's fascinating how things are done in different areas of the country.
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Old 02-27-2017, 03:19 PM
 
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MathJac,

Agree in part and disagree in part:

Women have been expected to do the heavy lifting in the home. It is called the Second Shift. It is still alive and well in this Family Values BS in the country.

Do you really want a care taker that is paid minimum wage to raise your infant! That is absurd. No, grandparents don't always take care of the grands, or should they, given their retirement is now an unpaid 10 hour a day baby sitter.

I do agree that SS appears to side with the married couple, one that stays home and keeps the hearth burning and the man goes out and wins the bread. It is a fallacy and a myth. But SS still coddles that myth.

My parents worked factory jobs for their entire lives...however....my mother was expected to do the second shift. My father said, point blank, that the woman does the home work. He does not. He is the man and he does not do woman's work.

We children also did the Second Shift. School, part time work to pay for living expenses, and chores...lots of them.

Personal choice. My mother gave my father her paycheck until she said no at 37 years of age. She divorced him at 40.

Getting to be married and to build a future together is no longer a personal choice. It is the luck of the draw given our divorce laws and our divorce rates.

I am happy for any couple that can and will make it for the long haul. But it is not reality for most.

Now that is reality.

all 4 of our grand kids are in excellent day care centers . we could not be more happy with them .

their moms do whatever they have to to keep working and their careers going intact . it isn't one or the other , it is a balance of both .

now that is reality .

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Old 02-27-2017, 03:25 PM
 
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I have always said that there is nothing more feminist than a few bucks in your pocket. Career or job or whatever, every adult needs to be able to make a living. Even more so if one wants to be a parent. The most successful and responsible husband can get laid off, become ill,whatever. I've always thought it was unfair to put that much pressure on the man as breadwinner with dependents.
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Old 02-27-2017, 03:46 PM
 
Location: next up where ever I go
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Interesting. Around here the school districts hire their own substitutes. There is no "agency". It's fascinating how things are done in different areas of the country.
The schools do not want the subs to have the right to belong to the union. Then they would have to pay benefits. It is almost an old saw now. Outsource out, no benefits. As one poster put it...things have changed over the last 10 years regarding the rules of employment....I see, going forward....a world in the USA of contractors without benefits. Or should I say....no medical care, no company man that puts his/her heart and life into a company....

It is every man/woman for themselves. I get the young people coming out. No loyalty to the company.

Why? Saw their parents get dumped at 55 or so.
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Old 02-27-2017, 03:56 PM
 
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Most of the subs are either women in their sixties and beyond that need the money or those trying to find a teaching job that also need the money. I know...I worked with these women. Not a lot of men. A few. If you were a teacher and still have your teaching license you can sometimes make a deal outside of the agency. There are not many. Schools say they can't afford them.

I have never met a woman that subbed for pin money. The job is way to tough just for fun money. Especially in Indiana.

The subs are contractors for a well known agency. What the agency gets is another story.
Texas doesn't use contractors---too many independent school districts
I am retired teacher and never wanted to go back to sub--I did that for year or so before I got hired in permanent job--after being a stay at home mom for almost 15 yrs...I needed to get a full time job and through subbing was supposed to be best way back then...
But after I retired I was so disillusioned and psychologically shell shocked--
My district had gone to the dark side in lot of ways and assistant principals were not great with discipline

Have friend who was elementary teacher who retired same year I did--she had taught almost 25 yrs straight.
She was able to get paid work as part of tutoring enhancement program--went to same school and had same kids each day...paid almost twice what a sub gets...
And works with small groups...not lot of discipline problems in situation like hers...
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