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Old 03-06-2017, 04:53 PM
 
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Well, you're a medical professional, so I'm sure you know what you're doing and know more than your doctor knows.

I've been taking a statin for many years with no problems, and I don't have to worry about my cholesterol anymore, which is nice. I had tried all the dietary changes and supplements everyone told me to try, and none of that worked at all.

Plus, now, my doctor doesn't hound me anymore about it like she did for 15 years while I refused to take a statin, which is nice. Overall, I'm happy with my decision to take the damn medicine and be done with it. I have more fun stuff to think about than my cholesterol level.

 
Old 03-06-2017, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Canada
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I had a checkup and blood tests and got the results today. The doctor said my cholesterol is extremely high, 318. I said well there is nothing I can do about it because I won't take drugs, especially not statins. Anyway my blood pressure is normal.

She said it doesn't matter if blood pressure is normal, the carotid arteries could still be blocked, and that can cause a stroke.

So was I scared into getting a prescription?

No, I told her total cholesterol doesn't matter, you have to look at the ratio of HDL and LDL. Yes, I was telling an M.D how to do her job!

I told her the research on cholesterol-lowering drugs is not conclusive, and I said she should read it.

It was obvious she was getting very angry (can't really blame her), but trying to stay calm.

As soon as I got home I looked up the normal ranges for HDL and LDL. Yes my total cholesterol is high, but my HDL / LDL range is very low (1.6). So according to everything I read, I have extremely low risk of a heart attack or stroke.

And my triglycerides and VLDL are very low.

Yes I have high total cholesterol, but that means nothing, especially when you get older. In some research, high cholesterol was shown to predict better health in older people!

I have a healthy lifestyle and I exercise every day. The doctor I saw today, on the other hand, is fat.

I am posting this to see if any of you had similar experiences, and if you managed to resist getting put on harmful drugs. They really try to scare you.
There are Good and Bad Cholesterol levels.. IF HDL is good and LDH is below that.. then that alone indicates the good HDL will mitigate the BAD one (LDL). With most diets that include a lot of things that influence Cholesterol.. It's a good thing to monitor it.

One must also look at family history too. Familial traits and historical Cardiac indices that could increase your risk. There are a lot of foods and OTC things that will increase your GOOD Cholesterol ( HDL) which is a good thing. HDL actually is the natural bodily function that attacks and rids your body of the BAD!

Me thinks you physician pushed meds for some sort of agenda..or maybe just not so educated. Taking a pill will NOT mitigate Cholesterol issues if one doesn't lead a rather healthy diet and lifestyle. Maybe MD was worried about your family history?

Here's quik read of HDL/LDL/Triglyceride descriptions that may help you decide ..maybe get another opinion could be another option??
https://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condi...61_Article.jsp

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LDL (Bad) Cholesterol

LDL cholesterol is considered the “bad” cholesterol because it contributes to plaque, a thick, hard deposit that can clog arteries and make them less flexible. This condition is known as atherosclerosis. If a clot forms and blocks a narrowed artery, heart attack or stroke can result. Another condition called peripheral artery disease can develop when plaque buildup narrows an artery supplying blood to the legs.

View an animation of cholesterolHDL (Good) Cholesterol

HDL cholesterol is considered “good” cholesterol because it helps remove LDL cholesterol from the arteries. Experts believe HDL acts as a scavenger, carrying LDL cholesterol away from the arteries and back to the liver, where it is broken down and passed from the body. One-fourth to one-third of blood cholesterol is carried by HDL. A healthy level of HDL cholesterol may also protect against heart attack and stroke, while low levels of HDL cholesterol have been shown to increase the risk of heart disease.

Triglycerides

Triglycerides are another type of fat, and they’re used to store excess energy from your diet. High levels of triglycerides in the blood are associated with atherosclerosis. Elevated triglycerides can be caused by overweight and obesity, physical inactivity, cigarette smoking, excess alcohol consumption and a diet very high in carbohydrates (more than 60 percent of total calories). Underlying diseases or genetic disorders are sometimes the cause of high triglycerides. People with high triglycerides often have a high total cholesterol level, including a high LDL cholesterol (bad) level and a low HDL cholesterol (good) level. Many people with heart disease or diabetes also have high triglyceride levels.
 
Old 03-06-2017, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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This is a tough one for me as well. I have genetic high cholesterol...no amount of diet, exercise, whatever helps. I was happy for many years just taking the statins too, but then started to experience horrendous foot and calf cramps and knew the statins could be the cause. Did a trial of going off the statins and taking Co-Enzyme Q10 and cramps disappeared! Such a relief! However, last doctor visit, cholesterol was 280 and ratio was good, but not as good as it has been in the past...so now in a quandary! I really don't think the cholesterol is the issue, as much as the inflammation, as someone else posted.....what to do?????
 
Old 03-06-2017, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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A one-mile walk is truly minimal, but it's great that you already see a positive result. If you can find your way to increasing that to two miles a day, I predict your good results will increase. Walking up and down your driveway each day is going to become pretty boring, it seems to me, so maybe extend out into the neighborhood?
After I started with a mile a day, THEN I started doing research and found all sorts of advice about starting out at half a mile two days a week. So I'm not feeling terribly bad about what I'm doing this first three weeks, especially with the results I'm getting not just in numbers but in increased stamina, muscle tone, etc.

As for getting bored, if I do, and I can see that happening, I live on 55 acres out in the boonies and there's plenty of alternatives to walking. The up and down the drive is because we figured out exactly how far it is and I'm decreasing the time it takes me to do it (started out at half an hour after many basically sedentary years, am now at right around 20 minutes). I'm getting a feel for my stride and time and once that is done I'll be heading the other direction across the creek and up the hill.
 
Old 03-06-2017, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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My high cholesterol is most likely genetic. My mother's was so high that they got her DOWN to 300 with statins and a 10% or less fat diet. Statins not only cause me such pain that I have to go up stairs one stair at a time (put one foot on the stair, bring the other one up, rinse and repeat), but they make me stupid. My doctor of some 30 years agreed with me that that was the cause of the problems.

However, my mother died at 80 not from anything cholesterol related but from consequences of a broken hip she got running from the shower to the phone because she thought, correctly, that it was her boyfriend calling about their date that night. It was a pulmonary embolism, common in older people who break hips, but I'm still convinced it was because the broken hip caused her to be bed ridden which meant she had to slow down for the first time in 80 years and that's what killed her.
 
Old 03-06-2017, 05:20 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Is there a cholesterol meter, I thought I only get the cholesterol number through blood test.
Oh I'm eating more steel oats, ....
Depending on your individual digestive / glucose needs...
Prolonged and frequent, Moderate Qty,consumption of Coarse Oatmeal can make a pretty significant dent in levels, Steel Cut oats has a quite low Glycemic Load (instant Oatmeal is very HIGH / due to more processed / added sugars). Rolled Oats is not as beneficial. I now consume oatmeal in afternoon / evening rather than AM (I fast in AM to encourage more burning of onboard fat.)

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WOW that is great to get off all the meds. I too have genetically high cholesterol and take statins and would love to get off of them. Time to hit the exercise harder.
Exercise is really vital, as is limiting qty and timing your food intake.

By swimming 1 mile everyday on our lunchbreaks, and biking 25+ miles 3x / week, We were able to help get 2 insulin dependent co-workers off the drugs.
 
Old 03-06-2017, 05:23 PM
 
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Well, you're a medical professional, so I'm sure you know what you're doing and know more than your doctor knows.

I've been taking a statin for many years with no problems, and I don't have to worry about my cholesterol anymore, which is nice. I had tried all the dietary changes and supplements everyone told me to try, and none of that worked at all.

Plus, now, my doctor doesn't hound me anymore about it like she did for 15 years while I refused to take a statin, which is nice. Overall, I'm happy with my decision to take the damn medicine and be done with it. I have more fun stuff to think about than my cholesterol level.
Since I am not a medical professional, I have not been brainwashed into thinking statins are wonderful.

If you only tried dietary changes and supplements, that could be the problem. You also need A LOT of exercise, to counteract decades of no exercise.

And you should consider the different types of cholesterol, not the just the total. But I can see you would rather leave all that up to your doctor.
 
Old 03-06-2017, 06:07 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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There is a slight advantage with statins, but now they realize it is NOT because they lower cholesterol. It's because statins are anti-inflammatory, so they can make heart attacks and strokes slightly less likely.

At the same time, statins do more than cause unpleasant side effects such as muscle pain, depression, etc. They can cause other diseases -- for example they can raise blood sugar and cause type 2 diabetes. And type 2 diabetes is a MAJOR CAUSE of heart disease!

It's all really insane. I have read a lot about this, because my mother had artery disease.

There is almost no reason for most people to take statins. There is a small minority who have extremely high cholesterol because of a genetic defect, and statins might help keep them alive.

For just about everyone else, it's a stupid idea and benefits no one except the drug companies.
I think my sister is in this viscous circle. But she started with high BP, not high cholesterol. Now she has prediabetes and kidney disease.
 
Old 03-06-2017, 06:20 PM
 
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Cutting refined sugar (bread, pasta, cereal, crackers, cookies, etc.) will help drop cholesterol as well.

Eating low carb/high fat/moderate protein will drop cholesterol levels over time.

I will never be on statins. Both of my parents were/are on them, and I am 100% convinced the statins caused far more problems than they supposedly helped.

I am slowly convincing my dad to cut way back on his statins. His HDL/LDL ratio is excellent, his triglycerides are super low; yet his MD has him on statins. He's cut to 1/4 a dose of what his doc had prescribed, and his latest readings were the best they've ever been.
 
Old 03-06-2017, 06:30 PM
 
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I honestly think most MDs do not have an internet connection and never heard of google. Just a little searching will show you that statins are controversial, and the evidence is far from convincing.

We don't have good evidence that cholesterol causes heart disease, and we don't have good evidence that statins improve health. Lots of people actually think statins are extremely bad for health, in many ways.

The doctor looked at one number, my total cholesterol, and went on to make assumptions that were not based on science.

And tried to scare me into taking drugs for the rest of my life.
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