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Old 03-19-2017, 09:22 AM
 
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Sadly many of those that don't want to pay for health insurance are first in line in showing up to emergency care to be treated and don't pay. They forget that the bill is being paid by everyone in the community.
Health Care should be available and affordable to all, but sadly there are too many hands that currently make big money out of it and will fight tooth and nail to be removed.
That is why models like the Cleveland Clinic etc will hopefully pave the way to newer service models. However that will require infusions of capital to develop, build and deliver the service. That means profit to those providing the capital. So we need to realize that innovation comes from ideas and the funding to develop them.

Many are concerned about late in life Assisted Living and Nursing Home care. In many areas the percentage of Medicaid beds ( even if funding continues ) is decreasing and the percentage of full pay beds increasing. Private capital is going into models that don't take Medicaid patients as the revenue flow is better and those with the money are more interested in coming to them.
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Old 03-19-2017, 12:01 PM
 
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I'd have died in my twenties if this was how it was. I wonder how many others? And no, I did not vote for the hideous orange thing.

I think a great many of those who were swept up in the orange things rahrah chant never bothered to listen to any of the content, why dictators can amass power if people are stupid enough to turn off their minds.

One can hope he will be a good example of why he and his should be sent back to their golf courses and fantasy worlds and despised.
What a crock. Try some valium.
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Old 03-20-2017, 03:40 AM
 
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Sadly many of those that don't want to pay for health insurance are first in line in showing up to emergency care to be treated and don't pay. They forget that the bill is being paid by everyone in the community.
Health Care should be available and affordable to all, but sadly there are too many hands that currently make big money out of it and will fight tooth and nail to be removed.
interesting enough , in the fine print back in 1993 were provisions for medicaid to go after the assets of anyone age 55 or older for recovery of not long term care expenses but health insurance . the amount of people going on medicaid through the market place and over age 55 has jumped drastically with obamacare since automatically if your income is below a certain point you don't get an aca plan but get medicaid instead automatically . this was not a big issue before everyone had to have healthcare .

there are those who retire early who try to keep their incomes low enough to get free health care if their states have expanded medicaid .

but those states have a right and a duty to go after the money , which few realize . we all think in terms of just long term care medicaid in that regard .


the good news is that the minimum mandatory claw backs set by the feds are held at anything that goes through probate . the bad news is they left it to the states to go after other accounts that do not get probated if they wanted to .

our state , ny , had open ended laws that allowed the state to go after any accounts ,even those with beneficiary's .

ny repealed those laws in 2012 and anything not probate-able is off limits . that means any accounts with beneficiary's , tods or trusts can't be touched .

this is good news for those who fell on hard times temporarily and income wise qualified for medicaid . so if you fall in to this category or had intentions of using medicaid health insurance you may want to see how far your state will go to claw the money back and under what conditions .

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Old 03-20-2017, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee Area of WI
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Well, a bit on and a bit off topic. We are on Medicare and I went to a specialist this week with my husband whose back has been in pain. This guy started talking about how everything that other doctors do don't help you diagnose the problem, including x-rays, examinations, and MRI. He described how his patients can't (aren't smart enough to) absorb his full regime so he takes it step by step. First step, go into an ambulatory surgical facility and under local give an injection and wait-see if it helps. OK, I could see that.


So I told him I would like a view of his overall approach, not just step one. He explained again that I wouldn't understand it. So, I changed the subject and asked if his procedure was one of the Medicare approved procedures for use of ambulatory surgical facility (he is part owner of the facility). He said my insurance wasn't his problem. I told him it was my problem and I needed to know if the insurance covered before signing off on what might turn out to be a blank check if I was not given a price upfront. Again he rebuffed the question with arrogance that betrayed his possible incompetence. (He could have just told me he would set me up to meet with his billing experts instead of insulting my intelligence.)


So much for shopping around. So much for medical transparency on just what was the treatment and its cost.


At that point he stormed out of the examination (in the middle?) in quite a huff. It made no sense to either me or my husband. It had just been a "shop around for your healthcare" kind of question.
Wow, that doctor is a weirdo! Very unprofessional!
I hope you went to a different doctor...
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Old 03-20-2017, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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What a crock. Try some valium.
As my pre existing condition still exists, just with different problems, and for some time I went without any kind of health coverage, not a crock. The orange thing and his followers would like to limit health care to those who will cost the insurance company, or give 'tax credits'. But a lot of people who have continuing health issues may not be working and may not have paid much.

The point is, it is a duty of society to give care to ALL of those who live there, not just a few chosen ones who have six figure bank accounts. Health and care to maintain it is a DUTY of our society to everyone, not just the cash blessed. Society owes every member of it to get basic needs, not just the ones who own golf courses.

There is a lot of pushback going on in places where the people heard a traditional political message, but faced with losing the healthcare they hadn't had before are going to wipe our those taking it away as motivated voters if it gets replaced with something which leaves out the poor, those with pre existing conditions and means cash on hand will have to be scrounged. Those repbulicans who represent them are worried they will first to inherit the blame and are not going to act based on retoric.

The orange one's image is getting less appropriate with his mindless tweeting and random rants instead of staying in the presidents house, acting like a president should, and losing his phone. He is a disgrace for his country. And those who chose not to look at the man but just the ramblings ARE responsible for his being in a place of maximum damage. They are already feeling buyers remorse.
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Old 03-20-2017, 07:39 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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Wow, that doctor is a weirdo! Very unprofessional!
I hope you went to a different doctor...
Doctors are not all the superheros you see on tv shows. My ongoing condition will never be fixed, just managed, and the menthods will change. I have found that doctors short of strict specialists are often of one oppinion about the proper thing to do, and the patients ideas are dismissed. This led to a fixit surgery which ended up making things worse as the doctor tuned out the medical history I explained, including the origional surgeon's insistence not to.

I may *write out* my history and print it and offer a disc to whatever doctor I end up with medicare, and as the last one disregarded my advise. explain that I will do an official complaint if my information is disregarded.
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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Well, a bit on and a bit off topic. We are on Medicare and I went to a specialist this week with my husband whose back has been in pain. This guy started talking about how everything that other doctors do don't help you diagnose the problem, including x-rays, examinations, and MRI. He described how his patients can't (aren't smart enough to) absorb his full regime so he takes it step by step. First step, go into an ambulatory surgical facility and under local give an injection and wait-see if it helps. OK, I could see that.


So I told him I would like a view of his overall approach, not just step one. He explained again that I wouldn't understand it. So, I changed the subject and asked if his procedure was one of the Medicare approved procedures for use of ambulatory surgical facility (he is part owner of the facility). He said my insurance wasn't his problem. I told him it was my problem and I needed to know if the insurance covered before signing off on what might turn out to be a blank check if I was not given a price upfront. Again he rebuffed the question with arrogance that betrayed his possible incompetence. (He could have just told me he would set me up to meet with his billing experts instead of insulting my intelligence.)


So much for shopping around. So much for medical transparency on just what was the treatment and its cost.


At that point he stormed out of the examination (in the middle?) in quite a huff. It made no sense to either me or my husband. It had just been a "shop around for your healthcare" kind of question.
This sounds like my experience with a local surgeon. My origional surgery was under emergency conditions, and years ago. It gradually got less and less functional. But the surgeon had explicitly warned ME, since he knew others wouldn't ask or might not examine it sufficently, that it can't be redone. They'd have to start over from step one.

Come a decade or so, and a small fix was done, but properly. I was warned that it wouldn't hold forever. It picked a few years ago, in a different state, with the origionals closed and the hospital even gone. I did my best to explain all the details. He looked impatient. I had to do something so had to use him, but woke up obviously later in the day. It tore, and is a mess, but I've managed to be creative. But nobody is touching it without a PROMISE and an understanding that I explicitly do not agree to another quickee, and I'd sue them.

I'm just hoping that time never comes because it feels like more rights of the patient to say no are being compromised. I don't believe doctors automatically know everything.
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Old 03-20-2017, 08:16 PM
 
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The point is, it is a duty of society to give care to ALL of those who live there, not just a few chosen ones who have six figure bank accounts. Health and care to maintain it is a DUTY of our society to everyone, not just the cash blessed. Society owes every member of it to get basic needs, not just the ones who own golf courses.
Was the "RIGHT" to healthcare snuck into the constitution recently?
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Old 03-21-2017, 03:28 PM
 
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[quote=nightbird47;47575989]As my pre existing condition still exists, just with different problems, and for some time I went without any kind of health coverage, not a crock. The orange thing and his followers would like to limit health care to those who will cost the insurance company, or give 'tax credits'. But a lot of people who have continuing health issues may not be working and may not have paid much.

The point is, it is a duty of society to give care to ALL of those who live there, not just a few chosen ones who have six figure bank accounts. Health and care to maintain it is a DUTY of our society to everyone, not just the cash blessed. Society owes every member of it to get basic needs, not just the ones who own golf courses.

There is a lot of pushback going on in places where the people heard a traditional political message, but faced with losing the healthcare they hadn't had before are going to wipe our those taking it away as motivated voters if it gets replaced with something which leaves out the poor, those with pre existing conditions and means cash on hand will have to be scrounged. Those repbulicans who represent them are worried they will first to inherit the blame and are not going to act based on retoric.

The orange one's image is getting less appropriate with his mindless tweeting and random rants instead of staying in the presidents house, acting like a president should, and losing his phone. He is a disgrace for his country. And those who chose not to look at the man but just the ramblings ARE responsible for his being in a place of maximum damage. They are already feeling buyers remorse.[/Q



Ponder and reflect....and maybe I'll pay attention...

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Old 03-21-2017, 05:46 PM
 
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Was the "RIGHT" to healthcare snuck into the constitution recently?
There is a clause in the constitution about providing for the general welfare.
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