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Old 03-22-2017, 12:31 PM
 
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Why does it have to be in the Constitution? It is just plain human decency. And if you are not a fan of decency, then having a healthy, educated populace is fundamental to a capable workforce. And without a capable work force, our economy will wither. This is what separates first world, developed nations from third-world, undeveloped nations - first world has robust economies and a high standard of living. They also (with the exception of the USA) have universal health care. So, are you thinking the US would be better off to be a 3rd-world country?
Thank you; this is exactly what I wanted to say!
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Old 03-26-2017, 05:55 PM
 
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Why does it have to be in the Constitution? It is just plain human decency. And if you are not a fan of decency, then having a healthy, educated populace is fundamental to a capable workforce. And without a capable work force, our economy will wither. This is what separates first world, developed nations from third-world, undeveloped nations - first world has robust economies and a high standard of living. They also (with the exception of the USA) have universal health care. So, are you thinking the US would be better off to be a 3rd-world country?
At what cost to the average taxpayer?
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Old 03-26-2017, 06:41 PM
 
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Why does it have to be in the Constitution? It is just plain human decency. And if you are not a fan of decency, then having a healthy, educated populace is fundamental to a capable workforce. And without a capable work force, our economy will wither. This is what separates first world, developed nations from third-world, undeveloped nations - first world has robust economies and a high standard of living. They also (with the exception of the USA) have universal health care. So, are you thinking the US would be better off to be a 3rd-world country?
such a great post above from TwoByFour!!
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Old 03-26-2017, 09:34 PM
 
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such a great post above from TwoByFour!!
agree entirely
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Old 03-26-2017, 09:42 PM
 
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agree entirely
Me too.
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Old 03-26-2017, 11:00 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Why does it have to be in the Constitution? It is just plain human decency. ... first world has robust economies and a high standard of living. They also (with the exception of the USA) have universal health care. So, are you thinking the US would be better off to be a 3rd-world country?
for those of us without HC for the first time in 50+ yrs... the USA IS a 3rd world country (as it has been for at least 8 yrs, and HC was barely affordable (Pre A(?)CA) and certainly not of good value for the last 20+ yrs

Medical Tourism Statistics & Facts | Patients Beyond Borders

being from the GREAT USA and having to rely on "patients without borders" seems pretty 3rd world
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Old 03-27-2017, 05:47 AM
 
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such a great post above from TwoByFour!!
Another agree entirely.
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Old 03-27-2017, 06:08 AM
 
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It seems to me that, since we do not have the will to either guarantee citizens access to health care or to control the price, we have, in essence, already decided that the working class should slowly lose adequate health care. Not even the professional class will be able to afford the rapid increases in premiums, copays, coinsurance, deductibles, etc. forever. That is a given if wages continue to erode at the same time.


If health care is a discussion of "can we afford it", then the answer will never be yes among people who hate taxes and think workers should compete with international wages in countries with universal access.
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Old 03-27-2017, 07:29 AM
 
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If the country has money to rebuild an oil rich country, surely it can afford to take care of tax paying citizens.
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Old 03-27-2017, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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At what cost to the average taxpayer?
According to Bernie Sanders, the average American would pay 2.2% more in taxes, so $1100/year for a $50k income. But they would pay $4000 less in premiums and deductibles than the average which is about $6000/year now. So the overall savings is $3000.
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