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Old 07-29-2017, 02:36 PM
 
Location: NY>FL>VA>NC>IN
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Everyone saying, "I was liberal, now more so." or "I was conservative, now more so."

How is that a 180 degree turn?

What you are saying is, "I was an intolerant dogmatist. Now I am an even more intolerant dogmatist." Instead of a 180 degree turn you just stayed the course and increased your speed towards being an a-hole.
See my first post. It was indeed a 180 degree shift.
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Old 07-29-2017, 02:50 PM
 
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The entire question brings up the subject of whether one was "aware" or "experienced" when they first formed their political opinions.

Frank Zappa did some songs way back about how most of the SF "hippies" were just playing the part and were weekend warriors (as hippies, sometimes even wearing wigs to fit in).

In that sense we could have someone here telling us they took acid every weekend in the Haight but now they are a conservative...when, in actual fact, they may have always been a conservative.

I think a much bigger question is "Am I a Hypocrite?". I would count among these those who believe in war but dodged the draft and those who supported the war on drugs while either consuming or getting drunk themselves......and so many other things.

Maybe that is a subject for another thread - that of whether your life is aligned with these conservative or liberal beliefs. For example - IMHO, you can't be a liberal and beat your wife. Not to say it automatically makes you a conservative either, but there are definitely tendencies (Texas allows other adults to hit your children, for example)....

What we call ourselves means little. What we live and do speaks volumes.
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Old 07-29-2017, 02:55 PM
 
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I was an extreme liberal/friend to the marginalized type/socialist labor party/bourgeois guilt driven idiot from ages 20-34.

Doing volunteer outreach work in the bowels of Dade and Broward counties (FL) for 14 years, (YEARS, not months) transformed that viewpoint into a loathing for the lower class/underbelly of society/ghetto/innercity culture.
Very interesting - it's hard to imagine you doing this for free for 14 years but I'll take your word for it.

I've done volunteer work in Camden NJ (often the murder capital of the world) and not only saw hope, but clearly saw how it was largely accident of birth that created the mess (plus the uncaring views of people like you've turned into).

Just a small "leg up" to the people we served (I did tech training) and many of them have gone on to be solidly middle class.

Other may never escape but when they were born and raised eating the lead paint off the walls and watched their family members beating on each other, who can blame them? Some things cannot be changed in a generation or two.

I'm sorry that you took the short view instead of perhaps realizing that your positive influences may reverberate and improve things. Miracles are not real. But education and training are.
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Old 07-29-2017, 03:06 PM
 
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Very interesting - it's hard to imagine you doing this for free for 14 years but I'll take your word for it.

I've done volunteer work in Camden NJ (often the murder capital of the world) and not only saw hope, but clearly saw how it was largely accident of birth that created the mess (plus the uncaring views of people like you've turned into).

Just a small "leg up" to the people we served (I did tech training) and many of them have gone on to be solidly middle class.

Other may never escape but when they were born and raised eating the lead paint off the walls and watched their family members beating on each other, who can blame them? Some things cannot be changed in a generation or two.

I'm sorry that you took the short view instead of perhaps realizing that your positive influences may reverberate and improve things. Miracles are not real. But education and training are.
Not sure why you'd find that hard to imagine; I was a middle class housewife, bored, wanted to do something fufilling besides sit by the pool (I lived in Palm Beach) and gossip, was driven by bourgeois guilt as I said, and really thought I could make a difference. I also was on the BOD of an animal welfare nonprofit during that same time period and beyond. The animals never disappointed me, they were really satisfying to help, unlike the humans.

It took years for me to abandon my idealism. I could give many, many many examples of what wore it down and eventually reversed it but I don't want to derail or hijack.

If you worked amongst that population and came away with a different view, that's cool. Trust me I wish I hadn't come to despise the underclass, it was really a shocking kind of blow and the beginning of my maturing into reality, from my sheltered cocoon.
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Old 07-29-2017, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Phoenix-Valley of the Sun
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Just this year, I went from a liberal to a conservative. With all of these SJW, extreme and radical feminists, 120 types of genders, etc..., I re-assessed my views and I decided that views, AS OF THIS MOMENT, are more aligned with the conservative side. Also, California, being a liberal state, is really pissing me off with these constant tax hikes and politics.
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Old 07-29-2017, 03:29 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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I'm a conservative 72 year-old.

I've never made a 180. I thought I had for a little while, but I reversed again. Turned out I had it right the first time.
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Old 07-29-2017, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Austin
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What is something you believe now that you thought that you would never change your mind about when you were younger?
I was an ardent feminist from the age of 16: employment choices, sexual freedom, educational freedom, equal pay for equal work, and freedom to make life choices.

I wouldn't have ever thought I would disavow feminism, but I do now. Current day feminists embarrass the hell out of me. I couldn't have ever imagined even 10 years ago I would ever feel this way about feminism.
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Old 07-29-2017, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Just this year, I went from a liberal to a conservative. With all of these SJW, extreme and radical feminists, 120 types of genders, etc..., I re-assessed my views and I decided that views, AS OF THIS MOMENT, are more aligned with the conservative side. Also, California, being a liberal state, is really pissing me off with these constant tax hikes and politics.
Politics is crazy in many states, but CA is one of the best places to live with our great climate...so we need to pay for it some way. And so many services especially for a lower income senior. That's me.

A person who lives here in woodland hills in a nice house etc etc...is always badmouthing CA and talks of her love for TX, and I tell her to move there if she loves it so much...she's still here.
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Old 07-29-2017, 07:51 PM
 
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I was more libertarian in my younger days, believing that government should do as little as possible. Nowadays realize there are many essential things that cannot be provided profitably so the private sector won't do them. But still believe that, if private entrpise can do it, allow it to. And still object to local governments subsidizing corporations.
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Old 07-29-2017, 08:26 PM
 
Location: East of the Sun, West of the Moon
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I was an ardent feminist from the age of 16: employment choices, sexual freedom, educational freedom, equal pay for equal work, and freedom to make life choices.

I wouldn't have ever thought I would disavow feminism, but I do now. Current day feminists embarrass the hell out of me. I couldn't have ever imagined even 10 years ago I would ever feel this way about feminism.
Well, to be fair, the values of the feminism you grew up with are considered old fashioned by the new '3rd wave' misandrist feminists who believe in intersectionality and blame the problems of the world on the eons of malevolent mismanagement by the mentally, emotionally, and morally inferior white, patriarchal phallocracy.
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