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Old 07-30-2017, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Central IL
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I was an ardent feminist from the age of 16: employment choices, sexual freedom, educational freedom, equal pay for equal work, and freedom to make life choices.

I wouldn't have ever thought I would disavow feminism, but I do now. Current day feminists embarrass the hell out of me. I couldn't have ever imagined even 10 years ago I would ever feel this way about feminism.
Funny..feminism seems very in the shadows compared to the 70's..it is indeed popular to disavow it now even though the core principles have never changed.
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Old 07-30-2017, 09:45 AM
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Location: North Monterey County
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I would love to know who the current day feminists are who are embarrassing.

Are some of them men? Are they the first wave of 70's feminists who are now in their 70's?

Many of the young women I know in their 30's have taken for granted what feminism did for them long ago.

Their lives would not be so entitled if it were not for the struggles of the women that came before them.
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Old 07-30-2017, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Mexico City (at the moment)
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Where I have evolved a bit is on economic issues. In the past, I generally had the assumption that we had an economic framework that existed for people to support themselves reasonably well if they made the right decisions and put forth the right effort. Today, I no longer believe that. I think we have allowed our economy to hollow out and sold out a reasonably-sized chunk of our population. We effectively have created a high cost of living economy combined with low wages for many people. I have come to believe that many of the elements of our economy are fundamentally corrupt. The most corrupt areas are the ones with the most government involvement (housing, health care, higher education).
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I also used to think that most people could be trusted to make reasonable financial decisions for themselves, given a range of choices. I no longer really believe that. I think most people will borrow as much as they are allowed to, and are pretty short-sighted and unaware of the long term impact of their financial decisions. Unscrupulous lenders have taken advantage of this ignorance.
These two statements you have made seem to conflict with each other somewhat, at least to me.

I would agree with you that far too many Americans are leveraged in debt they do not need. McMansions, cars beyond what they need, home appliances they dont need, college debt in disciplines that do not make sense or have a good ROI, etc....
People need to live with their decisions and not look to others for bailouts. Part of this is understanding the economy we work within.

One exception I have is for the elderly and truly infirm. Everybody gets old, and you cannot plan for an accident or disease that takes away your ability to support yourself.
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Old 07-30-2017, 11:39 AM
 
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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I was raised in a very conservative, right leaning household. Father is a ex-US Army veteran and supports the Republican party. We were raised this way until I saw different views, while attending college.

I see both sides now and support some views on both sides.
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Old 07-30-2017, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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I was raised in a very conservative, right leaning household. Father is a ex-US Army veteran and supports the Republican party. We were raised this way until I saw different views, while attending college.

I see both sides now and support some views on both sides.
All our family is of general liberal minds, and I can't think of any who were in the military. I'm a pacifist so I can't support much of that military industrial complex. All parties have their share of hypocrisy along with religion.
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Old 07-30-2017, 12:22 PM
 
Location: equator
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Growing up nave in a professional, successful family, I assumed our justice system was the best and fairest, and would perform as it is represented: pursuing the truth.


In the past couple of decades, I have seen all around me, and in my own life, that that ideal is a fantasy. The justice system is corrupt and sold off to the highest bidder.


Also I was raised to believe if you are a loyal, trustworthy, reliable, high-performing employee, you will be rewarded as such.


Never mind politicians having the best interests of their constituents in mind!


I have done a complete 180 on these antiquated concepts.
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Old 07-30-2017, 12:53 PM
 
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I learned about our Justice system at age 16 when I watched a few cop take the stand and flat out lie. That as IT for me.

I was also taken to jail just after I turned 18 (pot) and they put me in the jail where there was a scared black teen who had been caught smoking a J in the alley. I got let out - he didn't.

If I had to think of an 180 it would be on the usefulness of many non-profits. A vast percentage of them are started to be cash flow setups for those who run them (get grants, pay and outfit themselves well and lie about how many people you were serving). I saw this even in Boys and Girls Clubs and orgs of that level.

Of course, Churches and religion are part and parcel of this...taking money from the state (tax deductible) and well meaning donors and using it to enrich themselves and build power bases.

There are exceptions...but I'd say more good for society can be done by actual real businesses..than non-profits.

Thinking even further, earlier in my life I felt that the world would be saved by largely rejecting technology and materialism. Now I'd say the only hope we have is efficiency and technology...and that such things (clean energy, etc.) are needed to save us - not going back to the land and living in hovels.
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Old 07-30-2017, 01:35 PM
 
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I would love to know who the current day feminists are who are embarrassing.

Are some of them men? Are they the first wave of 70's feminists who are now in their 70's?

Many of the young women I know in their 30's have taken for granted what feminism did for them long ago.

Their lives would not be so entitled if it were not for the struggles of the women that came before them.

This.
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Old 07-30-2017, 02:41 PM
 
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when i got my first paychecks and saw how much was deducted........ and the party of tax and spend and redistribution are the democrats...

thats when i started leaning right


same thing happened to my son....
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Old 07-30-2017, 03:00 PM
 
Location: NY>FL>VA>NC>IN
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Funny..feminism seems very in the shadows compared to the 70's..it is indeed popular to disavow it now even though the core principles have never changed.
Feminism itself has done a 180, from its original core principals of getting society to give females fair and equal treatment to emasculating males to the point that they feel the need to act like females themselves, to even get a date.

Men are now treated with the same "control" females struggled to eliminate.
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