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Old 09-02-2017, 11:15 PM
 
Location: Sugarland
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So now you're back-peddling? You're really not going to kill yourself?....since there are no good methods, according to your thinking?

You are #2 who has piped up now to back-pedal the killing of yourself when you can't easily take care of yourself on your own in old age.

Which is my point exactly - the people that repeatedly pipe up about intentions of killing themselves will almost 100 percent not do it. So writing it here is not valid.

Actually in your analysis of not scary, bloody, or gruesome, why do you leave out so many methods that are not any of those? Such a putting a plastic bag over your head - what could be easier. Or taking an overdose of a drug. Or sitting in a garage in a car with the motor running for carbon monoxide, painless and fairly easy.

I just don't buy the loose talk of killing oneself. (2 have already backpedaled) But I don't need to buy it. (and besides it is rarely true)
Suffocating myself with a plastic bag doesn't sound particularly fun to me. I don't know what legal drug I have access to that would quickly and easily result in a fatal overdose. I live in a townhouse and wouldn't I be putting my neighbors at risk too with the carbon monoxide poisoning?

I'm not back pedaling. I just want better options. What else you got?
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Old 09-03-2017, 01:47 AM
 
Location: A State of Mind
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Suffocating myself with a plastic bag doesn't sound particularly fun to me. I don't know what legal drug I have access to that would quickly and easily result in a fatal overdose. I live in a townhouse and wouldn't I be putting my neighbors at risk too with the carbon monoxide poisoning?

I'm not back pedaling. I just want better options. What else you got?
There is a documentary, "The Right to Die in Oregon", in which some moved there in order to be able to have assisted suicide. It's been a while since I saw it, but there is a process they go through to do so. You might look it up.
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Old 09-03-2017, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Sugarland
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There is a documentary, "The Right to Die in Oregon", in which some moved there in order to be able to have assisted suicide. It's been a while since I saw it, but there is a process they go through to do so. You might look it up.
I believe I watched it on Netflix a few years ago. Instead of moving to Oregon, I hope that assisted suicide becomes legal in my state. However, I'd also want to be able to use that option whenever I want and not just when I'm terminally ill.
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Old 09-03-2017, 06:02 AM
 
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I guess no one worries about the spiritual ramifications of electing to end one's own (or another's? both are classified as "sins" in many religions) life these days; must be an old-fashioned notion that God alone is the author and arbiter of life.


But I do, unfortunately! I don't believe I have that right and, for that reason, can only hope for a swift and painless end. I certainly wouldn't take any measures to prolong it, which modern medicine currently certainly encourages.
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Old 09-03-2017, 06:27 AM
 
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I've thought some about what constitutes measures to prolong life and what constitutes suicide or murder. If dementia is on your horizon - is it suicide (or murder if a relative) to decide to withhold medications in order not to prolong life? Many view not prolonging life as a DNR.
But how much sooner would people die if you just took away everything but pain meds? High blood pressure meds, antibiotics, insulin, diretics etc. People in nursing home often take a bunch of pills everyday. None of which withholding with cause immediate death. But certainly are keeping you alive longer. In the case of Alzheimers, why? For me personally I won't want any of it. But it seems like the same thing as suicide technically.
But I don't think that is what most people think of when they say "prolong".
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Old 09-03-2017, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Sugarland
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I guess no one worries about the spiritual ramifications of electing to end one's own (or another's? both are classified as "sins" in many religions) life these days; must be an old-fashioned notion that God alone is the author and arbiter of life.


But I do, unfortunately! I don't believe I have that right and, for that reason, can only hope for a swift and painless end. I certainly wouldn't take any measures to prolong it, which modern medicine currently certainly encourages.
I'm not religious, so I don't worry about it at all. But my thoughts on that are that religious people sin all the time and make their own decisions without thinking about what their God would want them to do every day, so I don't see why suicide should be any different.
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Old 09-03-2017, 06:40 AM
 
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It's true that modern medicine and pharmacology have all but eliminated the ways people used to die (suddenly and quickly) from heart attack and stroke. So now we die later, more slowly, and more painfully. Additionally, we come to find out that drugs like statins are actually associated with the development of dementia. So it's a find line between treatment that enhances life and treatment that prolongs life, but it's something I've very conscious of in deciding what I will and won't pursue in terms of medical attention. Overall, I think it's a great for-profit business and we've ALL -- young and old -- been brainwashed in utilizing it to the max, to our own detriment. I think we could scale it back fifty years and life would be better for everyone, but JMO.
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Old 09-03-2017, 10:11 AM
 
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If there were more attractive suicide options, I'm sure more people would do it. I personally don't like the idea of hanging, shooting myself, jumping from a height, etc. However, if provided with an easy and effective method that isn't scary, bloody, or gruesome, I would certainly prefer that over getting too old to function.
Dead is dead. In fact, it took you longer to write your post than it would have taken to end your life by a gun shot to the head. Also, because the brain is being destroyed in seconds, there isn't time to send out pain signals.

So, yeah, a lot of people who complain about assisted suicide are just grandstanding. Once you're dead, how would you assess how bloody or gruesome something is? Why would you even care?

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Old 09-03-2017, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Sugarland
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Dead is dead. In fact, it took you longer to write your post than it would have taken to end your life by a gun shot to the head. Also, because the brain is being destroyed in seconds, there isn't time to send out pain signals.

So, yeah, a lot of people who complain about assisted suicide are just grandstanding. Once you're dead, how would you assess how bloody or gruesome something is? Why would you even care?
I don't own a gun, I don't know how to use a gun, I don't want to blow my brains out, I've heard that shooting yourself isn't always successful, and I don't want to end up a vegetable. Yes, dead is dead, but I still have a preference on how I would like to die, and what I would ideally prefer is to be euthanized with an injection the same way a pet would be. Super quick, effective, and not intimidating. Maybe people who hate needles wouldn't like that option, but that's what I personally would want and I would definitely do it if the option were available. It doesn't matter to me if some of you don't think I'm being truthful about it.
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Old 09-03-2017, 11:29 AM
 
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I don't own a gun, I don't know how to use a gun, I don't want to blow my brains out, I've heard that shooting yourself isn't always successful, and I don't want to end up a vegetable. Yes, dead is dead, but I still have a preference on how I would like to die, and what I would ideally prefer is to be euthanized with an injection the same way a pet would be. Super quick, effective, and not intimidating. Maybe people who hate needles wouldn't like that option, but that's what I personally would want and I would definitely do it if the option were available. It doesn't matter to me if some of you don't think I'm being truthful about it.
I just don't understand why people have decided that the only preferred way to die is by lethal injection.
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