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Old 09-02-2017, 08:26 AM
 
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As a retired public employee, a sore point for me is when someone mistakenly thinks that they're "paying for" something which government retirees aren't paying for or haven't paid for.
Well said' there is their misconception out there that pensions are these free gifts from the general population to workers. That's a lie.
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Old 09-02-2017, 08:40 AM
 
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Well said' there is their misconception out there that pensions are these free gifts from the general population to workers. That's a lie.
More like robbery. There is a saying, "Rob a bank and you do 30 years. Rob taxpayers through taxes and it's just another day at work for public employee unions."
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Old 09-02-2017, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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Illinois is in pension debt by $203 Billion!




https://www.illinoispolicy.org/repor...s-in-illinois/
Illinois I think is probably in the worst shape because more people percentage wise want to leave Illinois than the residents of any other state and the population is beginning to go negative which means over time that more and more is going to be required of fewer and fewer taxpayers and the cit of Chicago in particular is facing even worse than the state. I'm concerned about Illinois and Chicago.
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Old 09-02-2017, 08:49 AM
 
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More like robbery. There is a saying, "Rob a bank and you do 30 years. Rob taxpayers through taxes and it's just another day at work for public employee unions."
Yeah that's the lie they want you to believe. For 36 years 11% of my salary has been paid to the state to fund my pension from my pockets and my employer. Just like in industry they match your 401k. The state has invested that money and in many down years have used that money to plug into the general state budget. I am also a tax payer and my money has gone into paying the state.

So that's BS that my pension is coming entirely from the backs of taxpayers.
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Old 09-02-2017, 09:15 AM
 
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"I am also a taxpayer." is a familiar comment a typical overpaid government employee would say. The taxes they pay goes to their paycheck since they are paid from taxes. For every public employee that pays taxes, there are thousands of taxpayers who are not government employees and do not get any of that money back in the form of sky-high salaries, benefits and pensions.

Newspapers and newspapers across the country have been reporting about public pensions threatening to bankrupt towns, cities, and even states. Are they all liars?

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/art...CAL1/170819925

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-me-pension-squeeze/

http://www.mybudget360.com/californi...-state-salary/

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Old 09-02-2017, 09:25 AM
 
Location: New York
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Life's about choices.... I'm not going to feel guilty about my pension when I think about all the nights I had to work 12 am -8am leaving my wife and kids home alone. All the holidays I missed because I was forced to work while others sat home opening gifts on Christmas morning. The multiple injuries I've incurred doing my job. Nope, no guilt here at all. I took a job that many many others would scoff at, or couldn't physically do.
I'm not saying that to rub it in. I'm saying that to say I feel extremely blessed to have what I have. But it certainly isn't a hand out. As others have stated, it's a job that was available to anyone who applied.

Tongue in cheek moment here.... "isn't that what socialism is all about? Getting on the govt gravy train? Being taken care of from the cradle to the grave?"
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Old 09-02-2017, 09:39 AM
 
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"I am also a taxpayer." is a familiar comment a typical overpaid government employee would say. The taxes they pay goes to their paycheck since they are paid from taxes. For every public employee that pays taxes, there are thousands of taxpayers who are not government employees and do not get any of that money back in the form of sky-high salaries, benefits and pensions.

Newspapers and newspapers across the country have been reporting about public pensions threatening to bankrupt towns, cities, and even states. Are they all liars?

Editorial, Aug. 13, 2017: California taxpayers pay high cost for public employee pensions

Paying for public retirees has never cost L.A. taxpayers more. And that’s after pension reform - Los Angeles Times

California is land to the $100k minimum wage state worker: 220,000 highly-compensated state employees cost the public $35 billion.
Overpaid government worker. Right. That says it all. Not worth my time having a discussion with you and by the way I'm not overpaid and I work darn hard for my money. If you think it's so a cushy job go get one.
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Old 09-02-2017, 09:44 AM
 
Location: USA
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More like robbery. There is a saying, "Rob a bank and you do 30 years. Rob taxpayers through taxes and it's just another day at work for public employee unions."
I don't understand how Public Sector Unions are legal. It is a huge conflict of interest. Essentially it is government Democrats negotiating against citizen taxpayers who they supposedly work for.
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Old 09-02-2017, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Washington State
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Life's about choices.... I'm not going to feel guilty about my pension when I think about all the nights I had to work 12 am -8am leaving my wife and kids home alone. All the holidays I missed because I was forced to work while others sat home opening gifts on Christmas morning. The multiple injuries I've incurred doing my job. Nope, no guilt here at all. I took a job that many many others would scoff at, or couldn't physically do.
I'm not saying that to rub it in. I'm saying that to say I feel extremely blessed to have what I have. But it certainly isn't a hand out. As others have stated, it's a job that was available to anyone who applied.

Tongue in cheek moment here.... "isn't that what socialism is all about? Getting on the govt gravy train? Being taken care of from the cradle to the grave?"
Your pension, if it's the NY state pension fund, is well funded, unless some really strange happens, you'll have no problems. I don't have a problem with people getting the pension they've earned.
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Old 09-02-2017, 09:51 AM
 
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Ah yes, another familiar comment "Stop whining. Don't be jealous. You can apply for a government job too." Jeez, wouldn't it be nice if the entire US working population works for the government? But who would be left to pay the taxes that support them?

I have to keep this in mind the next time I complain about something, as a taxpayer or a customer.

Me: Auto repair shops overcharge me. Answer: Don't complain. You can own an auto repair shop and overcharge people too.

Me: Drug dealers make too much money. Answer: Don't be jealous. You can be a drug dealer too.

Me: NBA players make too much money. Answer: Nobody is stopping you from becoming one.
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