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Old 09-02-2017, 09:55 AM
 
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Your pension, if it's the NY state pension fund, is well funded, unless some really strange happens, you'll have no problems. I don't have a problem with people getting the pension they've earned.
I have no problem with how much money people get for their pensions if it's a private company. I would not have a problem with a public union pension either if they didn't rob taxpayers to pay for it.

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Old 09-02-2017, 10:19 AM
 
Location: New York
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I have to keep this in mind the next time I complain about something, as a taxpayer or a customer.

Me: Auto repair shops overcharge me. Answer: Don't complain. You can own an auto repair shop and overcharge people too much

Me: Drug dealers make too much money. Answer: Don't be jealous. You can be a drug dealer too.

Me: NBA players make too much money. Answer: Nobody is stopping you from becoming one.
Lol. That's a clown statement right there. Auto repair shops don't charge too much. Dealerships OTOH do indeed overcharge.
NBA players make too much??? They get a percentage of the whole package of sports/entertainment. I agree they make an insane amount of money but don't most entertainers.
Drug dealers? I have no idea what they make ....
You are not seeing the big picture. NBA players making millions and millions of dollars is small fries compare to the owners and shareholders of the sports enterprise.
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Old 09-02-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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Lol. That's a clown statement right there. Auto repair shops don't charge too much. Dealerships OTOH do indeed overcharge.
NBA players make too much??? They get a percentage of the whole package of sports/entertainment. I agree they make an insane amount of money but don't most entertainers.
Drug dealers? I have no idea what they make ....
You are not seeing the big picture. NBA players making millions and millions of dollars is small fries compare to the owners and shareholders of the sports enterprise.
I was responding the familiar comment made by overpaid public employees that taxpayers should stop whining and go get a government job. I posted the above illustrate how silly that "Don't be jealous. You too can
be a government employee and collect fat salaries, benefits, and pensions."

You purposely didn't not quote my entire post and try to deflect.

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Old 09-02-2017, 10:33 AM
 
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I was responding the familiar comment made by overpaid public employees that taxpayers should stop whining and go get a government job. I posted the above illustrate how silly that "Don't be jealous. You too can
be a government employee and collect fat salaries, benefits, and pensions."

You purposely didn't not quote my entire post and try deflect.
LOL. Yes because we all know most government workers are making six figures salaries.
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Old 09-02-2017, 10:44 AM
 
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IN the state of Florida, the highest pay for a teacher after 30 years is around 64k and their pension would be at best 48% of that.

They have been paying 3% from their salaries towards pension with their employer putting in 8%.

So no they are not making fat pension checks
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Old 09-02-2017, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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More like robbery. There is a saying, "Rob a bank and you do 30 years. Rob taxpayers through taxes and it's just another day at work for public employee unions."

Your analogy is absurd. There is no "robbery" involved. Public employees are getting paid for their work, just like private sector employees are. They do work which benefits the public: filling pot holes and paving streets; assuring a clean, safe water supply; taking away our trash; fighting fires and responding to accidents; providing libraries, educating the public's children; prosecuting criminals in court; and much more.
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Old 09-02-2017, 01:10 PM
 
Location: NNV
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I was responding the familiar comment made by overpaid public employees that taxpayers should stop whining and go get a government job. I posted the above illustrate how silly that "Don't be jealous. You too can
be a government employee and collect fat salaries, benefits, and pensions."

You purposely didn't not quote my entire post and try to deflect.
I would suggest you do some REAL research and go to the website of ANY city, county, state or federal agency and find out what 90% of the public employees really make.

Compare what percentage of employees at public agencies make over $100k to the percentage of people at private companies make over $100k (or make it $150k). Don't forget to include stock options and bonuses private companies offer. Let me know what you find.

"$100k minimum wage state worker"??? Tell me that's not a deceptive caption.
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Old 09-02-2017, 02:42 PM
 
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Life's about choices.... I'm not going to feel guilty about my pension when I think about all the nights I had to work 12 am -8am leaving my wife and kids home alone. All the holidays I missed because I was forced to work while others sat home opening gifts on Christmas morning. The multiple injuries I've incurred doing my job. Nope, no guilt here at all. I took a job that many many others would scoff at, or couldn't physically do.
I'm not saying that to rub it in. I'm saying that to say I feel extremely blessed to have what I have. But it certainly isn't a hand out. As others have stated, it's a job that was available to anyone who applied.

Tongue in cheek moment here.... "isn't that what socialism is all about? Getting on the govt gravy train? Being taken care of from the cradle to the grave?"
So why are you looking to heading out of NY when you retire? Are you going to be one of the govt pensioners whining that they can't afford to live there after sucking the teat dry and move to the Carolinas to save on taxes?
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Old 09-02-2017, 02:55 PM
 
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Seems to me that local and state governments set up their compensation packages, not the employees. I work in Public Health, the highest paid person in our agency of 3500 employees is just over 200k, a Medical Doctor at that. Only about 75 people in the entire organization makes over 100k. We have at least 1000 employees with MD, RN, PHd after their names. And they aren't making the salaries people are talking about on this thread. 2200 more have at least a bachelors which is a requirement to even get a job.

We contribute 9 percent to our pension, the agency contributes another 13 percent. Our health insurance is no pick nick either, with the average employee paying 250+ every paycheck to cover their family, and the deductibles and copays are equally as high. And retirees don't get free healthcare, they get to maintain the same coverage for the same monthly amount.

We also get to contribute to SS and Medicare like everyone else. What's the average pension for an average employee here after 30 years, about 22k.

So if you don't like public employees getting a pension because you don't, easy, elect politicians that will do away with them. Until you and your fellow citizens in whatever state or local area you live does that, quit whining.
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Old 09-02-2017, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Sylmar, a part of Los Angeles
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Your analogy is absurd. There is no "robbery" involved. Public employees are getting paid for their work, just like private sector employees are. They do work which benefits the public: filling pot holes and paving streets; assuring a clean, safe water supply; taking away our trash; fighting fires and responding to accidents; providing libraries, educating the public's children; prosecuting criminals in court; and much more.
5 guys standing around and 1 guy working. You don't see that in private industry, you have to produce or else.
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