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Old 09-27-2017, 05:20 PM
 
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Smells like another troll post, but what the heck.


OP does realize that the construct of "retirement" is rather new historically. Prior to WWII and certainly before Social Security the only way to "retire" (cease all work) was to have acuminated enough savings/investments or other income that would support you in old age.


Prior to all this everyone worked until they either couldn't any longer, or died. That and or perhaps they moved in with a family member (or vice versa) to cut their expenses or whatever.


The explosion of retirement/pension plans helped along by unions and Social Security has really only truly existed for average working Americans for about sixty or seventy years (give or take).


Some things are totally out of our control (death, illness, major disability), but others are not. One thing that differentness those who lived through or were born during Great Depression is that they *SAVE*. There is nothing like seeing your friends, neighbors or even family members thrown onto the streets to get one into that Scarlett O'Hara mentality (I'll never be hungry again...").


Historically persons retired (such as it was) at 62 or 65 and were dead in less than three years or so (on average) later. It has only become recently thanks to advances in healthcare that you have more and more people living into their 70's, 80's, and 90's. Problem is for many times have changed (pensions are vanishing), but this country's mindset has not.


But here is the other side of the coin. Instead of starting work at 18 (or before) and slaving like a dog for thirty years, many start working later, and or take long breaks/gaps in their careers. In short the construct of old is slowly going away anyway. That is the idea of waiting until old age to enjoy life (what there is left of it), seems weird to many who want their life blessings *now*.
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Old 09-27-2017, 05:34 PM
 
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You mean like Venezuela.
Venezuela was doing very well for 15 of the last 18 years. It's only the collapse of oil prices and economic warfare of the oligarchs including currency speculation and hoarding of goods that have created hardship there. Overall quality of life increased drastically since Venezuela became socialist. People gained access to universal education, healthcare, pensions, millions of units of housing were built, any many other gains were made. That is the oligarchs have been trying to sabotage this system and bring things back to the old order where they made all the money and had all the power. At any rate venezuela will have an economic recovery especially with gas prices appearing to go back up. It's funny how the economic crisis in Haiti and Puerto Rico are not blamed on capitalism, but the economic crisis of Venezula is blamed on socialism
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Old 09-27-2017, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Haiti, PR, and Venezuela are all easy to explain: leftism ALWAYS destroys economies. Capitalism may leave some people behind, but leftism, in its futile attempt to lift EVERYONE up, always runs out of other people’s money.

Anyway, I will retire most likely at 50, the latest 53. I will likely own more than one paid off home by then and have numerous investments and a fat pension.

Don’t be a fool, choose a REAL career at a young age, stick with it, and you too can be in the same position. I’ll likely move to a nice small town and maybe pick up some part time work for fun while mostly whiling away my remaining years hunting, fishing, hiking and just enjoying my days with my family.

Pretty simple.

My children will be guided towards the same goals and we won’t call their success “white privilege” - we’ll call it what it is: common sense. Lol
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Old 09-27-2017, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Earth
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if you live in america and the northeast, you've won the lottery. The world outside of america is way worse. Even europe and canada do not even come close to the freedom you have here. You have clean water (except in flint), food, and sanitation.

I have a toilet that flushes! You can't beat that!

Its better than leaving in somalia.

It could be worse. You still have bowel control.
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Old 09-27-2017, 11:02 PM
 
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I guess I have to get into specifics when posting on here. I am very much new and I recently wrote this post about retirement and slaving for people our whole lives. The real point that I was trying to make was -
why are we so comfortable with getting up everyday and working for someone else etc, why do we find it necessary to go to school and get a "good job". I don't know about you all, but growing up I was never taught to "invest" or start a business or truly do something that makes me happy even if it wasn't something regularly accepted by society... and when you do get up and say I'm gonna start my own business or whatever people look at you like you're ****ing crazy because they have already been brainwashed to follow the routine! what I'm trying to say is, it wasn't set up for all of us to become millionaires (of course not) but do we just get up everyday hating ourselves working some boring job following the same routine until we turn 60 & die? Does it not hurt to try? And then if you fail say at least I gave it a shot! but to work for someone else forever is boring...Is there not more to life than that? I would like to travel the world but my regular ass job isn't allowing me the opportunity to do so (but its up to me to find a way to accomplish everything that I want) my coworker recently passed away (god rest his soul) but this year was literally his last year... all of last year he spoke about how he was retiring and literally a few months before he was finally set to be "free" and "enjoy retirement" he died... (granted we can die at any moment but that's a different topic) I don't know, it's like you work forever and by the time you are set to retire you're 60 and probably have some kind of illness that will most likely kill you soon anyway, it's just stupid but I guess that's life. Just venting, I am open to all opinions etc.
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Old 09-28-2017, 03:49 AM
 
Location: Viva Las Vegas bound!
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I think what's going on is you're part of the awakening. People are questioning and bucking the establishment and it started with Trump in America. Their faith in government is shaken. So the new normal is abnormal and it's going to get really abnormal here with a lot of things within the next ten years.

Moore's win conjures 2018 nightmare — for both parties - POLITICO
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Old 09-28-2017, 03:52 AM
 
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just remember , our retirement system is pretty much the YOYO PLAN. you're on your own .

unless you want the stress and misery that comes with an underfunded retirement you need to sure up that front too .
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Old 10-03-2017, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Born in L.A. - NYC is Second Home - Rustbelt is Home Base
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OP...that is our world. Have no answer except get rich and retire early.

We can't all just go live off the land.

No taxes = no military. We will all be speaking Russian or Chinese.
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Old 10-04-2017, 06:08 PM
 
Location: n/a
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If every moment is unique, then what is the problem?

Otherwise buy a rucksack and a plane ticket, and do a shoestring tour in whatever continent(s) strike your fancy... before you get too long in the tooth to bother.

Carpe diem!
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Old 10-05-2017, 03:03 AM
 
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Haiti, PR, and Venezuela are all easy to explain: leftism ALWAYS destroys economies. Capitalism may leave some people behind, but leftism, in its futile attempt to lift EVERYONE up, always runs out of other people’s money.

Anyway, I will retire most likely at 50, the latest 53. I will likely own more than one paid off home by then and have numerous investments and a fat pension.

Don’t be a fool, choose a REAL career at a young age, stick with it, and you too can be in the same position. I’ll likely move to a nice small town and maybe pick up some part time work for fun while mostly whiling away my remaining years hunting, fishing, hiking and just enjoying my days with my family.

Pretty simple.

My children will be guided towards the same goals and we won’t call their success “white privilege” - we’ll call it what it is: common sense. Lol
Talking about leftism? You're a government employee. Eventing you have is because of the government Do you think that's capitalism? Lol
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