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Old 09-29-2017, 10:24 AM
 
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Exactly. I will simply not travel internationally when I'm older because I have seen a lot of the world already and I won't squeeze into a coach contraption for 10 hours+.
A good laugh is wonderful. Coach CONTRAPTION.

A tad claustrophobic with legs longer (at least hip to knee) than many 6 foot plus men, I feel the same. Moments of panic. Get me OUT of here.

But you know - what really helped to the point I swear to G*D I didn't want to get off the plane at landing was a good audio book. You could close your eyes - not SEE the bloody plane that you're stuck on - and drift off into another world. Better than reading or watching TV. (I can't sleep.)

Plus, something really WEIRD happened on last summer's trip home (thru Frankfurt). We got on the plane and -

there - was - nobody - there.

Really! My first thought was that there'd been a terrorist attack and nobody wanted to fly.

We fly pretty much for free (churn credit cards) so it's easy to splurge to upgrade to economy plus. This was a late afternoon flight since we'd connected from another country - and being paranoid I leave lots of time to connect in an airport like Frankfurt.

The economy plus cabin was less than 1/3 full - that meant a row of 4 seats to yourself. I haven't seen anything like that since the 1980s. There was more privacy to stretch out and sleep on those seats than in the business cabin! (Now again, part of this was the timing of the flight ... but the United flight attendant said it wasn't that unusual. The economy cabin was packed.)

Might be worth using one of those neat techie tools - maybe ExpertFlyer - to try and figure out flight load.

The time before that we used economy plus we got bumped. To Club Class (Business) on British Air.

This economy-plus-thing is working well for us!!! But luck aside, the extra pitch (maybe three inches) makes all the difference in the world between chill and claustrophobia.
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Old 09-29-2017, 11:18 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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Just wanted to give advise or comments from travellers out there who experienced my dilema before they decided on travelling. I'm 29 and have had mixed reactions from friends and family telling me i'm too old to take a year from my career to travel to Oz ! At 29 I already regret not doing so in my early 20's but it wasn't fesible for me then, it's possible now but all this negativity about my age is holding me back from making the decision. Would really appreciate some comments, cheers !!!
When I retired from a management government position the guy that replaced me worked for me for several years and I was pretty well acquainted with his life experience. He was born in England and had an obvious thick British accent. He drove a double-decker bus in London for a while and then went to university in Exeter where he earned an advanced degree. He left there and went to Egypt for a while where he met his wife. Later he lived in New Zealand and then Australia before coming to the US. He had marketable skills that were in demand all over the world. He had accomplished a lot of things over the years that showed up on his resume. His parents still live in the UK so he goes home for visits every year or so. He is now settled in and manages an important research organization in a large government agency.

Now -- he is married but there are no children -- no one enrolled in school which would serve as an anchor for some people. All those years he did not have a mortgage and he was happy being a renter. If he had a car it was used. I doubt that he had accumulated a nest egg for retirement. These were life choices but at some point you have to settle down and consider the future. He was probably in his 40s when he came to work for me so I think he will be OK by the time he retires. I don't know what motivated him to travel and live in different countries...he was just open and available when the opportunity came. He could have stayed in the UK and found a desk research job and never ventured out anywhere but I think his experience was richer for taking the chance.
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Old 09-29-2017, 11:34 AM
 
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I'm petite (thank you "genes") so airplane travel is not uncomfortable. What is uncomfortable is being squeezed in the middle of 2 rather large people on my last flight. Their rears overflowed into my seat. Thankfully a quick 2 hour flight and seat assignments done by computer, so couldn't pick aisle seat. What would've happened if I was as large as them? Would have been physically impossible to fit all 3 of us in!!
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Old 09-29-2017, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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I believe more elderly people would travel if only they'd speed up the planes. Absolutely amazing, in this high tech world, planes are still lolly-gagging along at 600MPH! Can't they speed them up to 3000 MPH?

For me, an agonizing 4-5 hours in a plane to NYC! No thanks!

No, they can't "speed them up to 3000 mph". Your ignorance of the laws of physics is scary. It is very expensive, both energy-wise and design-wise, to build and fly (fuel costs) supersonic jets as opposed to subsonic jets. Remember the French Concorde, a supersonic jet which required a hell of a premium fare?


Very few people would be able to afford what you are asking for. And besides, 3000 mph is not within the realm of even very expensive practicality. I don't remember the speed of the Concorde, but I would imagine not much over 1000 mph. Even our fastest military supersonic jet fighters don't go much over 2000 mph in level flight. Get real.
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Old 09-29-2017, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
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No, they can't "speed them up to 3000 mph". Your ignorance of the laws of physics is scary. It is very expensive, both energy-wise and design-wise, to build and fly (fuel costs) supersonic jets as opposed to subsonic jets. Remember the French Concorde, a supersonic jet which required a hell of a premium fare?


Very few people would be able to afford what you are asking for. And besides, 3000 mph is not within the realm of even very expensive practicality. I don't remember the speed of the Concorde, but I would imagine not much over 1000 mph. Even our fastest military supersonic jet fighters don't go much over 2000 mph in level flight. Get real.
Indeed. The "Blackbird" "only" went about 2200 MPH, and took a good bit of specialized tech to do that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird.

I don't think even Donald Trump would want to pay for the single or maybe 2 seats that might have theoretically been available to a paying passenger (bring your own space suit).

Sigh. Am I wrong to think that back in the 50's, most people (guys anyway) understood at least cars and airplanes better than they do now? Or is that a fiction, carried on by various old movies and TV shows?
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Old 09-29-2017, 02:18 PM
 
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When I hiked in the Himalayas, about half-way up to Everest, 5 years ago (I am 57 now), a substantial number of other people doing that were in their 60s (the serious ice climbers were generally young, but I am talking about hikers going no higher than the Everest Base Camp). But Himalayan hikers in their 70s were not rare either. I did not see anyone in their 80s, though.

About 4 years ago, I went sailing to remote parts of French Polynesia, on a smallish boat that took about 200 passengers, and it was about 50/50 youngsters and seniors. There were some strenuous hikes offered on the islands, and the people up to their mid-70s tended to participate, the older ones stayed on the boat or in little villages., and still mostly enjoyed themselves. I spoke to two people aged 79 on that boat who were very mentally clear and still very curious - they seemed to have gotten a lot out of the journey. On the other hand, there was an 82 year old who came on the trip with some of his family, and he tended to just blankly stare in space all the time.

Then, I also used to know a lady in her late 80s who still went for a few weeks to Paris every year, even though her health was no longer that good (few replaced joints, transient strokes).

So, in my experience, the limit to the useful adventure travel for most people seems to be the age of about 80, for regular travel which is not very strenuous there is probably no age limit - just need to have a travel insurance and a plan in place if a health catastrophe happens (which is the case for young travelers as well anyway).
Hate to say it, but outside of valid health problems, etc. I think the main problem is that people are out if shape and many obese. Yes, I work out every day and I'm 63, but I know few people my age who do. I fly a lot and I'm always amazed at how many are 30, 50, 100 lbs overweight trying to squeeze into the seats. And it really p877ses me off when they are sitting next to me.
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Old 09-29-2017, 02:19 PM
 
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I'm petite (thank you "genes") so airplane travel is not uncomfortable. What is uncomfortable is being squeezed in the middle of 2 rather large people on my last flight. Their rears overflowed into my seat. Thankfully a quick 2 hour flight and seat assignments done by computer, so couldn't pick aisle seat. What would've happened if I was as large as them? Would have been physically impossible to fit all 3 of us in!!
Yep, and THAT is irritating.
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Old 09-29-2017, 02:29 PM
 
Location: State of Denial
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I have an aunt and uncle who were both CPAs and retired in their mid-40's - they did very EXTENSIVE international travel through their late 80's.

I am hopeful that I'll be able to keep traveling late in life as well - hopefully by making adjustments in terms of maybe longer layovers on long flights, less hurried travel in general (fewer cities crammed into a trip), etc.

Not to hijack your thread, but it would be great to get specific tips here on what older travelers have done so they can keep traveling!
The right kind of tours/tour groups are great for older travelers. There are groups that specialize in nature photography, museums, home visits, cooking schools, etc. A tour doesn't have to be one of the stereotypical "nine countries in seven days...hurry up! you're going to miss something" experiences.


I've taken tours with a company that seems to attract the middle-aged to older crowd, with enough youngun's (but not "kids") thrown in to keep things interesting. I've been to the Middle East, South America and and Latin America and am going to India in a few months with this company.


I've done a lot of traveling "on my own" and it was fun, really fun, but as I get older, the less stress I'm interested in. I've found a lot of fun in tours, meeting interesting people who have come from all over the world to join the group. I like being "taken care of"


You just have to shop for the right one....the combination of activities that you like. Frequently you can add some days onto the beginning or end of one and go off on your own to see things you've missed.
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Old 09-29-2017, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Land of the Great Bears
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Beyond the obvious physical deterioration that comes with old age, I suspect many elders just don't enjoy it so much anymore because of the increasingly hectic pace that the world is running at.

Crowded flights, congested highway traffic, long lines to wait in everywhere-such a hassle!

These issues are worse than they've experienced in their youth, and now they're less willing and able to deal with it.
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Old 09-29-2017, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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Beyond the obvious physical deterioration that comes with old age, I suspect many elders just don't enjoy it so much anymore because of the increasingly hectic pace that the world is running at.

Crowded flights, congested highway traffic, long lines to wait in everywhere-such a hassle!

These issues are worse than they've experienced in their youth, and now they're less willing and able to deal with it.
Those are very good reasons. Also, I think some people did a great deal of traveling in their youth and so staying close to home in retirement would be the next phase of their lives.
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