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Old 10-09-2017, 11:35 AM
 
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Many slum lords love their section. We know one of them who bragged about how great that is having a guaranteed got. pay out for his tenements.
So very true and so very much motivation for them to keep folks in poverty and eligible

 
Old 10-09-2017, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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So very true and so very much motivation for them to keep folks in poverty and eligible
An even larger motivation is for the government bureaucrats whose jobs, gold-plated pensions & Cadillac health care are predicated and dependent upon the existence of those in poverty.
 
Old 10-09-2017, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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Once a week, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100.

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.

S & M --

The Producers rejected your script as being too far-fetched to make the point. They sent it over to Re-write with instructions to "base it in reality". Here's what they came back with -- I think we might be able to get a Greenlight for the Film. I see Bill Murray in one of the Lead Roles.


Once a week, 10 men would go out for a drink. Not all together mind you -- they went to two entirely different establishments.

The First Man among them was wealthy beyond measure. The second man was upper Middle Class, his annual salary was 2 commas, all crooked numbers. The third man was a politician, a back-bench congressman who ran on a Pro-Life platform, but ordered his mistress to get an abortion when things got sticky.
The other 7 men were common workers who did the jobs that the Upper Class wouldn't or couldn't do.

The First Man invited his 2 other peers to his Country Club in bucolic Central Jersey. They drank Vodka and feasted on Black Caviar.

The Group of 7 get together on the other side of the tracks, at a bar also owned by the First Man. They passed around a bottle of cheap wine, still in the brown bag they bought it in. The bartender would give them a bowl of mixed nuts "on the house". Every once in a while he would slide them a pitcher of Beer, usually the bottom of the barrel, tasting just as flat and stale as Oklahoma Well Water.

The First Man wanted to do a solid for his peers by lowering the Greens Fees at his Club. But he didn't want his own Net Worth to take a hit. So he tweeted out new instructions for the Bartender across town. "Raise the price of the rot-gut wine, and cut out the mixed nuts -- from now on it's Kibbles, right outta the bag. They're Tremendous Kibbles."

He then dispatched his Treasury Secretary, a liver-lipped guy with horny glasses, to enforce his dictates. "Enforce" is probably the wrong word in this case, as this Secretary had suffered many a Beatdown back in B-School -- you could just sense it. Instead of driving his own car over the other side of town, the Secretary took a Limousine, at great expense, and billed it back to the Bar. He stood in the doorway to the Bar expounding on the benefits of their new Mixed Nuts Policy with less than full candor, glossing over some key changes that were not yet clearly defined.

The Group of 7 started grumbling about this new Nuts Policy and soon enough......they had worked themselves into a pretty good lather. They grabbed Treasury Guy and administered a real Boy's Room Beatdown, such as the World has never seen. This one included their traditional Toilet Bowl Shampoo (look it up -- it ain't pretty).

The group of 6 stormed the Country Club, while the 7th guy blogged about it. They made it only as far as the Valet Parking Stand out front, where they were met by Security and escorted into the back room so that none of the Country Club Patrons could see what happened next.

The Moral here is that when men can't eat or provide for their Families, they get desperate -- and desperate men do desperate things. If you can't see this happening here, you can look to any of the recent European Riots, like the Greece, Austria, Italy or Egypt.

It'll look just like that.
 
Old 10-09-2017, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Gulf Coast
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Trying to digest all of this. I did read. Every. Page. Here.

So, no more medical expense deductions? Does that include if one of us lands in a nursing home? And how about our insurance premiums? Our supplemental F policy and drug policies cost us $4,646.40 last year and going up next year. What about the Medicare B, which was $2,592 last year? This year our dental bills got kinda out of control too.

I will say, we've been unable to itemize for quite a few years, despite my keeping all my records and giving them to the CPA. And now this year, there is no mortgage interest anyway since we paid that off.

Property tax exemption, are we really going to lose that?

One thing I may not have right: there was some tax or something in the affordable care act affecting capitol gains and I was hopeful that would be gone if they'd gotten rid of the aca. That did not happen. Did anything happen to the capitol gains with this new tax "cut"?? That's what's really going to hit us this year.

Another dumb question: if IF this passes, does it apply to 2018 or 2017 taxes? Man, I should know this stuff. Been stressed out with a bunch of other stuff (storms anybody?) and haven't been watching much news.

Last question: don't care about the price, but where's my beer?
 
Old 10-09-2017, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Yes and perhaps it might encourage more people to save and increase the number of people saving/investing and building wealth. Certainly would help toward the wealth gap and the growing WEALTH inequality. Please note I said wealth not income inequality. Now before you say the poor can't save we both know better. Non essential spending is there in all income categories. Just check out what stores and services are available in low income neighborhoods across the country both urban and rural.

Rumor has it that many of those most visibly poor soliciting on street corners and intersections are using the money on recreational consumption.

In fact how about term limits on section8 housing? How many successive generations are allowed to live in section 8 housing as adults? Perhaps there should after one generation be a draft of the children of that second generation on. That a good idea TY for it.
Yep you nailed it! There are actually no poor people in the US, George Soros runs ads on Craigslist and hires actors to pose as poor people.
 
Old 10-09-2017, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Trying to digest all of this. I did read. Every. Page. Here.

So, no more medical expense deductions? Does that include if one of us lands in a nursing home? And how about our insurance premiums? Our supplemental F policy and drug policies cost us $4,646.40 last year and going up next year. What about the Medicare B, which was $2,592 last year? This year our dental bills got kinda out of control too.

I will say, we've been unable to itemize for quite a few years, despite my keeping all my records and giving them to the CPA. And now this year, there is no mortgage interest anyway since we paid that off.

Property tax exemption, are we really going to lose that?

One thing I may not have right: there was some tax or something in the affordable care act affecting capitol gains and I was hopeful that would be gone if they'd gotten rid of the aca. That did not happen. Did anything happen to the capitol gains with this new tax "cut"?? That's what's really going to hit us this year.

Another dumb question: if IF this passes, does it apply to 2018 or 2017 taxes? Man, I should know this stuff. Been stressed out with a bunch of other stuff (storms anybody?) and haven't been watching much news.

Last question: don't care about the price, but where's my beer?
My guess is that 'if' it passes it would definitely not change 2017 taxes, it would take too long to implement the changes and rewrite the tax code.
 
Old 10-09-2017, 12:48 PM
 
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An even larger motivation is for the government bureaucrats whose jobs, gold-plated pensions & Cadillac health care are predicated and dependent upon the existence of those in poverty.
Not sure about all of that but I love our pensions. You can work in the public sector help to alleviate poverty and earn a pension,
 
Old 10-09-2017, 12:53 PM
 
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Yep you nailed it! There are actually no poor people in the US, George Soros runs ads on Craigslist and hires actors to pose as poor people.
Never said there were none. The reality is that the war on poverty in many ways missed their target. Now we have a 20 trillion dollar debt and states like Illinois, booming older population with limited resources. What to do Dorothy with no Wizard and no Oz is perhaps the question.

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Old 10-09-2017, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Never said there were none. The reality is that the war on puberty in many ways missed their target. Now we have a 20 trillion dollar debt and states like Illinois, booming older population with limited resources. What to do Dorothy with no Wizard and no Oz is perhaps the question.
I'm sure you meant poverty not puberty, that's why I don't use speech to text on my phone Our national debt was not created by welfare spending. Social Security program, defense and Medicare are the primary sources of the national debt. Which one would you like to cut?
 
Old 10-09-2017, 01:09 PM
 
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I'm sure you meant poverty not puberty, that's why I don't use speech to text on my phone Our national debt was not created by welfare spending. Social Security program, defense and Medicare are the primary sources of the national debt. Which one would you like to cut?
Aghhh that is the reality no good choices some one will lose and suffer and suffer mightily. So as I see it the immediate battle on the table appears to be Medicaid pitting the poor against the elderly in nursing homes. How do you see that playing out when Medicaid gets block granted back to the states to allocate,
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