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Old 10-14-2017, 04:37 AM
 
Location: Central Massachusetts
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The only problem with this dynamic (young people leaving in exchange with old people) is that it results in zero growth. Retirees tend to pay less taxes than younger earners who buy homes and raise their families. Families also spend more than retirees, another dynamic that results in a static economy. Maine has to figure out how to fix this.
Maine doesn't need to fix it. It gets an influx of tourism every year. It has a sales tax and the local businesses do a pretty good trade. It doesn't want to change the dynamic. Mainiacs like the slow pace. The tourists like the scenery and everyone is happy. A few industries that keep the states coffers filled are potatoes, logging, and fishing. The logging industry fuels the paper mills and the many rivers provide lots of hydro-electric power.
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Old 10-14-2017, 04:56 AM
 
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I thought the COL in Maine was relatively high due to being at the end of the supply chain/highways and generally low wages, plus a lot of transportation costs.

I lived there for a year some time ago. Loved Reid State Park.
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Old 10-14-2017, 05:35 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia/South Jersey area
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Well, that kind removes part of the fun.....when your hometown team is the greatest team in NFL history, you sure as hell want everyone to know. Thatís part of being a fan.

Philly fans would do the same if they were so lucky.
lol, right now the view from the top of the NFC east is looking pretty good.

E-A-G-L-E-S
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Old 10-14-2017, 06:16 AM
 
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I live in Chicago in a lovely quiet neighborhood about 6 miles from "downtown". Until 2 years ago I lived in a suburb. I am so much healthier now that I walk so much. I've also lost 60 pounds. I am still working and am able to walk to work, but I could take a bus or L train to get to just about anywhere I'd want to go. I use my car only for grocery shopping or to go to outlying areas. The neighborhood to one side of mine is a magnet for upper income families with a great shopping street, a movie theater and town square area. The neighborhood to the other side is more geared to singles with lots of restaurants and bars. I can walk easily to either of them along tree lined streets. I love where I live and plan on staying when I retire in 10 years.
This is huge. My 88-year-old father walks 2 miles every single day no matter the weather and is very healthy. I was relocated from San Francisco where I walked everywhere, to Nashville where nobody walks anywhere, and gained entirely too much weight and my health sucked. Probably some major depression from having to leave California didnít help with that either, so Iím now digging out of all of that and Iím back in the gym, because the south is still a car driven society. Nashville has been talking about public transportation for five years and hasnít really done anything about it.
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Old 10-14-2017, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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The only problem with this dynamic (young people leaving in exchange with old people) is that it results in zero growth. Retirees tend to pay less taxes than younger earners who buy homes and raise their families. Families also spend more than retirees, another dynamic that results in a static economy. Maine has to figure out how to fix this.
I am not convinced that population growth is a good thing.

All low income people [including retirees] pay less taxes. My pension is exempted from taxes in Maine.

Our Maine home is the fifth home that I have owned. It is far larger than any of our previous homes and it's taxes are much lower than any of our previous homes.

I am not sure that any of this presents something to be fixed.

As a Californian, Maine represents a much lower COL in my experience. In full disclosure I own 150 acres of forest land, with 1/4 mile of river frontage, we operate a small organic farm. Our farm is fairly rural, we are on Solar Power and we produce most of our own food.
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Old 10-14-2017, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Center City
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I am not convinced that population growth is a good thing.

All low income people [including retirees] pay less taxes. My pension is exempted from taxes in Maine.

Our Maine home is the fifth home that I have owned. It is far larger than any of our previous homes and it's taxes are much lower than any of our previous homes.

I am not sure that any of this presents something to be fixed.

As a Californian, Maine represents a much lower COL in my experience. In full disclosure I own 150 acres of forest land, with 1/4 mile of river frontage, we operate a small organic farm. Our farm is fairly rural, we are on Solar Power and we produce most of our own food.
It seems no growth offers you the kind of environment that suits you. No growth is not good for the overall economy, however.

It sounds as if you are living a very self-rewarding life and an enjoyable one.
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Old 10-14-2017, 11:00 AM
 
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lol, right now the view from the top of the NFC east is looking pretty good.

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Maybe we’ll see you in February.
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Old 10-15-2017, 08:00 AM
 
Location: The Great State of Texas
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I retired 8 years ago and thought living in Florida would be ideal and that is where my husband worked until he recently retired.

We had the Florida sandwich (house, pool, boat docked at the back) and decided to downsize to a more rural (less expensive) lifestyle. We wanted my husband to be able to retire early, too.

Well after almost 3 years down a dirt road, I've had it. We both have numerous doctor appointments every month for follow ups, nothing too serious, but must be done. Seems like every time we have to go out it is an all day excursion. See doctor, stop for shopping, have a meal out and it has become an all day affair! Spending way too much on gas!

We also bought a camper so we can travel. It takes us 9 hours just to reach the border to get out of Florida! Never ending stretch of I-75 that I want to pull my hair out! One fender bender along the way backs up traffic for hours! Don't know what happened to the law requiring vehicles to move off the highway, but between that and the rubber necks, both sides north and south usually back up.

As one ages doctors and medical facilities become very important. We will soon be moving to Texas, to a nice medium size city. We will be within a few miles of all amenities and medical facilities, doctors, etc. We will be central enough to go camping and visit these United States without a 9 hour trek to just get out of the state, not to mention the boating and camping possibilities in Texas itself.

Will we miss the privacy we have here on our acreage? Yes, but not going to miss the upkeep of mowing acres nor taking an hour to 2 just to go to the grocery store and back. Upside we will be able to afford to have someone else take care of the 1/3 acre corner lot!

I'll miss my pool, we use it almost daily, but will bring our hot tub with us.. I might miss the warm weather, too, but figure if it gets too cold, I may just stay indoors, lol. Life is about compromises.
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Old 10-15-2017, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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It seems no growth offers you the kind of environment that suits you. No growth is not good for the overall economy, however.

It sounds as if you are living a very self-rewarding life and an enjoyable one.
If an economy is dependent on growth it must seek to become urban.

I am not convinced that over-population is sustainable.

You need an economy that is NOT dependent on growth.
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Old 10-15-2017, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Center City
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If an economy is dependent on growth it must seek to become urban.

I am not convinced that over-population is sustainable.

You need an economy that is NOT dependent on growth.
What we need and what we have are different, however.
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