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Old 10-05-2017, 01:13 PM
 
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And here’s a suggested reason for that. It has nothing to do with fraud. I think there’s also the possibility that in a very tight job market, those who have disabilities are not going to readily be hired at a new job after they were laid off from a prior job that may have been willing to overlook their disability.

Disabled workers: America's hidden unemployment problem - Jun. 1, 2011
wrong! if they are collecting because of a tight job market and not a true disability where they can't work vs not just find a job , that is a fraudulent claim or at the least an abuse of the system .

that is my point . it became the extension to unemployment insurance for quite a lot of people who should not be collecting disability. they get lawyers who pull strings and slip FRAUDULENT AND UN-DESERVED CLAIMS through with their contacts.

it is not an alternative to not finding a job, it for those who truly can't work .

employers are barred from knowing about your disabilities if they are not job related . if they are not apparent you can't tell them . that is covered under the american disabilities act so they can either work or they can't . if they can't then they are not the people i am referring to . you can bet the ranch those numbers who fall in that group are tiny .

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Old 10-05-2017, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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all i know is billions were taken from social security retirement and redeployed to ssdi because the jump in claims since 2007 was mind blowing and the disability fund was emptied .
I don't understand how poor planning by the government points directly to fraud...

I'm sure they'll find the "loophole" just like when they recently closed the one for spouses and some ex's to collect on the other while they waited to claim their own.
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Old 10-05-2017, 02:05 PM
 
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social security rules define what is allowed . there is no loop holes .

trying to make excuses for collecting disability just because you can't find a job and not for what the rules require which is you are unable to perform a job is wrong . that is what welfare is for not ssdi . ssdi is because you are unable to perform any job because of a disability .able to work but unable to find a job is not what it is for .
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Old 10-05-2017, 02:10 PM
 
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With so many people having some level of depression and/or anxiety these days, it seems like awarding disability to people with depression and anxiety would be opening a box of complications. I realize disability is maybe awarded to those with more severe or long-lasting depression and anxiety - but judging the level of such would seem difficult. Plus it would seem that depression and anxiety would be fairly easy to fake.
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Old 10-05-2017, 08:11 PM
 
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all i know is billions were taken from social security retirement and redeployed to ssdi because the jump in claims since 2007 was mind blowing and the disability fund was emptied .
Give us proof of these numbers and proof of any fraud with verifiable, non-biased data.

Otherwise, all you're saying is that this is your story and you're stickin' to it.
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Old 10-05-2017, 08:18 PM
 
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With so many people having some level of depression and/or anxiety these days, it seems like awarding disability to people with depression and anxiety would be opening a box of complications. I realize disability is maybe awarded to those with more severe or long-lasting depression and anxiety - but judging the level of such would seem difficult. Plus it would seem that depression and anxiety would be fairly easy to fake.
Um, diagnosing disabilities is not difficult to professionals. Why would you assume professionals can't tell fakers from non-fakers?
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Old 10-05-2017, 08:21 PM
 
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social security rules define what is allowed . there is no loop holes .

trying to make excuses for collecting disability just because you can't find a job and not for what the rules require which is you are unable to perform a job is wrong . that is what welfare is for not ssdi . ssdi is because you are unable to perform any job because of a disability .able to work but unable to find a job is not what it is for .
Whoa, you're so unhinged by this that you've lost your capital letters and other punctuation.

I don't see where this post argues with anything anyone here has said.

You don't win an argument by stating the same facts everyone already knows.
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Old 10-05-2017, 08:24 PM
 
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wrong! if they are collecting because of a tight job market and not a true disability where they can't work vs not just find a job , that is a fraudulent claim or at the least an abuse of the system .

that is my point . it became the extension to unemployment insurance for quite a lot of people who should not be collecting disability. they get lawyers who pull strings and slip FRAUDULENT AND UN-DESERVED CLAIMS through with their contacts.

it is not an alternative to not finding a job, it for those who truly can't work .

employers are barred from knowing about your disabilities if they are not job related . if they are not apparent you can't tell them . that is covered under the american disabilities act so they can either work or they can't . if they can't then they are not the people i am referring to . you can bet the ranch those numbers who fall in that group are tiny .
Again, where is your verifiable data than anyone is collecting SSDI fraudulently?
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Old 10-05-2017, 08:33 PM
 
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i think you first need to understand how ssdi is funded . it is not part of welfare as your statement would indicate you think it is .

we all paid in to an insurance fund for ssdi . it is paid for with fica dollars not general taxes . . fica covers retirement benefits ,survivor benefits and ssdi .

it will never be the same as reducing taxes to keep what you earned . they are as unrelated as you can get .

tax deductions are not welfare or insurance no matter how you try to connect the dots .

keeping more of what you earned is not the same as taking money away from others because you kept more of what was yours so no they are not welfare .
Why not? It's a taking of government tax dollars.

You just justify it. Tax loopholes are a way for those who make more money to keep their money out of the tax pool. The tax pool that pays for all of the amenities you enjoy. Including the disability pool you may need to pull from some day.

It's just not as sexy for politicians to go after tax evaders as it is to go after supposed welfare fraud.

But, as I've already proved, the money we could collect from tax evaders would more than pay for the entire disability program, and probably every other welfare program out there.

But, do politicians want to go after tax evaders? No. Why? Because pretty much everyone cheats on their taxes, and politicians don't want to lose their votes.

But, don't think for a minute that losing that 458 billion dollars from tax fraud, along with the "legal" loopholes that lobbyists have pushed through, doesn't hurt the tax pool that is needed for disability insurance.

It's just mind-boggling how you can think that you are above people who need welfare, while you take your lobbyist-created tax deductions to get out of paying your fair share.

I normally don't honestly wish harm on anyone. But, it's attitudes like yours that makes me wish some people would end up losing everything and have to rely on disability and food stamps, etc., just to give them some much needed perspective.
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Old 10-05-2017, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Lakewood OH
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wrong! if they are collecting because of a tight job market and not a true disability where they can't work vs not just find a job , that is a fraudulent claim or at the least an abuse of the system .

that is my point . it became the extension to unemployment insurance for quite a lot of people who should not be collecting disability. they get lawyers who pull strings and slip FRAUDULENT AND UN-DESERVED CLAIMS through with their contacts.

it is not an alternative to not finding a job, it for those who truly can't work .

employers are barred from knowing about your disabilities if they are not job related . if they are not apparent you can't tell them . that is covered under the american disabilities act so they can either work or they can't . if they can't then they are not the people i am referring to . you can bet the ranch those numbers who fall in that group are tiny .
Did you even read the link I posted? This was one of many saying pretty much the same thing as seen by experts in the field. No one doubts there is fraud but not as you are describing it.

Lawyers do not pull strings. Far from it. If you have ever been through the procedure as I have you wouldn't be saying this.

Please post links with statistics showing that "those numbers who fall in that group are tiny."
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