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Old 10-03-2017, 09:11 AM
 
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From the New Yorker

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...e-their-rights

As I believe it is not proper to merely post a link without comment- this is a long article about experiences with involuntary court-ordered guardianship in Nevada.
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Old 10-03-2017, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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That's horrible.
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Old 10-03-2017, 09:48 AM
 
Location: ☀️ SWFL ⛱ 🌴
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What an absolute nightmare, it's so hard to believe it's real and continuing to happen.

The overseeing judge that rubber stamped this case and others wasn't fired, but moved to a court overseeing abused children. OMG.

There are so many things wrong that make you want to tear your hair out reading this article. It's completely unbelievable.

They did get some justice, similar to the charges that brought down AL Capone. It's about accounting, not the criminal act. From the article:

The indictment was narrowly focused on their double billings and their sloppy accounting


It's a beginning and hopefully it builds into seeing the monstrosity of what is happening to some of these elderly and their families and enacting laws that will actually help them. The people in this article had a nearby child who went through hell with this. Think about all those who do not have anyone advocating for them, other than the sharks circling them in this article.

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Old 10-03-2017, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Now hold on here. Something is fishy. I smell scam and corruption.

I was a public guardian for a year before I retired. Before we conserved someone there had to be evidence of mental incompetence, documentation by a physician a court hearing with the person in question and a psychiatrist who had tested the person in question. The Judge questions the person in question and the psychiatrist must provide documentation and testimony under oath.

And yes, I removed two people from their homes over the course of that year. One lady had zero memory and required 24hr care and the conserved 92 year old gentleman who had severe dementia and his care givers could no longer care for him. He died 12 days later after he fell and broke his hip.

Beyond the initial court hearings, by law the person is have another court hearing each year so the judge can determine if the guardianship should continue or be terminated.

But the situation described in the article is flat out illegal!
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Old 10-03-2017, 11:25 AM
 
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Originally Posted by rational1 View Post
From the New Yorker

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...e-their-rights

As I believe it is not proper to merely post a link without comment- this is a long article about experiences with involuntary court-ordered guardianship in Nevada.
Terrifying.

I linked to the article in the 'caregiving' forum after seeing it here (and reading it).

I'm years from retirement (but care for my retired father, so I initially started reading this forum to make sure there weren't financial issues with medicare/social security for him that I was missing) - but had started to think of eventual relocation in retirement. This article really makes certain parts of the country (known for retirees) sound like hunting grounds for unscrupulous grifters.

Awful.
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Old 10-03-2017, 12:45 PM
 
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Unfortunately, this is not the first time I am reading about this situation. As I recall, about a year or so ago, this happened to a parent of someone on a different board. The daughter was telling us about how a court ordered a third-party guardian instead of the children who wanted to care for their parent. The guardian sold the parent's home and possessions and put the parent in some kind of care facility over the objections of the children. When the daughter took the guardian to court, the guardian and guardian's attorney billed the estate and essentially bankrupted it. She didn't get care of her parent until there was nothing left. The family was traumatized. I remember she said that when she got older, she would never use in-home health aids as they were the ones who started the processes in her parent's case. She also said that hospitals can and do start the process too.

It was her experience that got me started thinking that maybe a CCRC would be the safest bet. I'm just not sure how one protects themselves against this.
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Old 10-03-2017, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Loudon, TN
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Well this is just one more reason not to move to Vegas.

Seriously, this is a situation that shouldn't be allowed to happen without notification to the elderly person's next of kin who should be allowed to obtain representation, and attend the hearing calling witnesses, etc to rebut the guardian's claims. A call by the family to their state representative's office, as well as the DA's office, might have put a stop to this. Even so-called state appointed guardians can be guilty of elder abuse.
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Old 10-03-2017, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee Area of WI
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This is absolutely horrible!! This really can't be legal.........OMG. :0
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Old 10-03-2017, 01:50 PM
 
Location: SE corner of the Ozark Redoubt
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Well this is just one more reason not to move to Vegas.
...
I think you nailed it.

A friend of mine is the son of a LV cop,
and he can tell some "interesting" stories.

And then there are the crooked judges that have
made the national news over the past few years.
(Re: Bunkerville judge jury)
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Old 10-03-2017, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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This article was posted in Elder Orphans too. One thing that struck me right away was why were these people so willing to just be railroaded out of their home? Hardly any push back from them. If someone tried to do that to me I would be calling cops/media/everyone I knew/and reporting my own kidnapping! Next, they had to have been notified about the hearing for guardianship. Did they ignore it?

How does one protect themselves from this?
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