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Old 01-08-2018, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Wonderland
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Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post
Including mine.

Levaquin knocked back my aspiration pneumonia when nothing else would.

I am sorry it caused tendon damage in your case.
Thanks, yeah me too. I had to have both Achilles tendons surgically repaired after they both disintegrated after one week of Cipro (same family of antibiotics as Levaquin as I think you know). My ankles and feet will never be the same. It was a life changer, that's for sure.

STILL - if I had to take it to cure something life threatening, even knowing the damage it can cause, I'd take it and be grateful for it. If there were no other options and sometimes there aren't other options.
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Old 01-08-2018, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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Having FUN?

Get your vaccines....why even consider Prevention and taking care of your own health?
Why can't people do BOTH?! Will the Alt-Med gods smote you to even think such a thing?
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Old 01-08-2018, 07:45 PM
 
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Why can't people do BOTH?! Will the Alt-Med gods smote you to even think such a thing?
Lol.


Funny thing is she was replying to me....and I haven't had a vaccine since I was a kid.
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Old 01-08-2018, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Why can't people do BOTH?! Will the Alt-Med gods smote you to even think such a thing?
Smite. The Alt-Med gods smite you.

Probably with a celery stick.
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Old 01-08-2018, 08:33 PM
 
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I have yet to hear any of these pro-vaccine, pro-pharmacology posters, provide evidence that the tens of millions of people who were dying due to diseases and epidemics that would run rampant through the world's population; would have been saved solely by vaccines.

To say that they would have; is theoretical & speculative. Which is actually less valid than anecdotal.


Unless; you know of what research has been done that controls for the impact of:

Public utilities, sanitation services, wastewater treatment & clean running water. Public health regulations concerning food preparation, handling & serving. Agricultural science. Control of disease-bearing parasites, insects & animals.

Advancements in medical science including IV therapy, penicillin, azithromycin, clarithromycin, and erythromycin. Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatories, bronchodilators, Antitoxins, sterile fields, bactericidals, disinfectives & antiseptics.

... & has led to the scientific consensus: that vaccines are responsible for reducing death from disease. In a statistically significant margin, of course, above & beyond what all the other advancements have.

And if you do know of it; would you please provide a source?



Well; for now ...

State:
Arkansas HB 1317 & Idaho S1073: Expands the immunization tracking system to include adults.
Arkansas HB 1550: Removes consent for reporting adult vaccinations to the department and registr.y
Missouri SB 760: Mandatory flu vaccines for employees and volunteers in all inspected facilities.
Montana HB 73: Allows disclosure of a patient's immunization record without the patient's authorization.
NY A439: Expands forced detainment and treatment to include vaccine-preventable diseases.

Federal:
US H.R. 1313: Forcing Vaccination in Employee Wellness Programs.
US H.R. 1215: Liability Shielding for Vaccine Injuries and Deaths.



Me too.
It is estimated that small pox used to kill about 400,000 people a year in the 19th Century. Today, the disease has been totally eradicated from the Earth due to aggressive vaccination. Small pox was not eliminated due to better hygiene. It had nothing to do with contaminated water or food. Transmission of the disease occurred through person to person contact. It was extremely common in cities, among armies, and among the crews of ships at sea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox

In the modern era, use of the pertussis or whooping cough vaccine saves approximately 8,000 people a year from dying. These are mostly children. Hygiene has no effect on the way this disease is spread it is essentially transmitted the same way the common cold is.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents...pertussis.html

Polio has been eradicated from the western hemisphere. This disease use to kill over 3,000 people a year in the USA alone. The irony about polio is that the rate of those catching the disease was increasing in the 1950's despite better hygiene practices. Hygiene improved all during the 1950's yet the number of cases of polio increased prior to introduction of the vaccine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_poliomyelitis

Diptheria claimed 21,000 lives a year in America prior to the introduction of the diptheria vaccine in the 1920's. Today there are a bare handful of diptheria cases in the entire USA.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/whatifstop.htm

Your simply wrong. Instead of spreading incorrect information, you should admit it. Vaccines are not perfect. However, they are an enormous medical success story.

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Old 01-08-2018, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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My daughter had chicken pox at 11 years old. Got shingles at 38. I had chicken pox at 7 months old. Now 69. Almost 30 years older than her. So much for your science of before 18 months. lol Not random individuals, Suzy, my own child. Must be all of my superhuman "luck" once again.
Yes, random. What happens to your own child does not disprove what epidemiology tells us about the entire population.

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Those pawns of the Devil, the CDC, think the death toll from the flu could be even higher than that among seniors and the chronically ill. The flu weakens them enough so that they die from a different cause, which is the one that is reported.
True.

Suppose someone with heart disease gets the flu and has a heart attack. The heart attack will be coded as the cause of death, with influenza as a contributing factor.

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I have yet to hear any of these pro-vaccine, pro-pharmacology posters, provide evidence that the tens of millions of people who were dying due to diseases and epidemics that would run rampant through the world's population; would have been saved solely by vaccines.
To say that they would have; is theoretical & speculative. Which is actually less valid than anecdotal.
If you don't get the disease you cannot die from it. Nothing anecdotal about it. No one has died from smallpox since 1978 - and that was a person who caught it in a laboratory. An estimated 300 million people died from smallpox worldwide in the twentieth century alone.

BBC - History - British History in depth: Smallpox: Eradicating the Scourge

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Unless; you know of what research has been done that controls for the impact of:
Public utilities, sanitation services, wastewater treatment & clean running water. Public health regulations concerning food preparation, handling & serving. Agricultural science. Control of disease-bearing parasites, insects & animals.
Please tell us how all of those things affected the eradication of smallpox from third world countries with no public utilities, sanitation services, wastewater treatment, or clean water.

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Advancements in medical science including IV therapy, penicillin, azithromycin, clarithromycin, and erythromycin. Nonsteroidal anti-inflammatories, bronchodilators, Antitoxins, sterile fields, bactericidals, disinfectives & antiseptics.
Antibiotics do help treat secondary infections in viral vaccine preventable diseases. They do not treat the actual viral infection itself.

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... & has led to the scientific consensus: that vaccines are responsible for reducing death from disease. In a statistically significant margin, of course, above & beyond what all the other advancements have.

And if you do know of it; would you please provide a source?
Vaccines prevent vaccine preventable diseases. If you do not get the disease, you do not die from it. You do not have to treat it at all. It's very simple.

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Well; for now ...

State:
Arkansas HB 1317 & Idaho S1073: Expands the immunization tracking system to include adults.
Arkansas HB 1550: Removes consent for reporting adult vaccinations to the department and registr.y
Missouri SB 760: Mandatory flu vaccines for employees and volunteers in all inspected facilities.
Montana HB 73: Allows disclosure of a patient's immunization record without the patient's authorization.
NY A439: Expands forced detainment and treatment to include vaccine-preventable diseases.

Federal:
US H.R. 1313: Forcing Vaccination in Employee Wellness Programs.
US H.R. 1215: Liability Shielding for Vaccine Injuries and Deaths.
Yeah, the vast majority of people in the US think there is value in protecting public health.

Vaccine registries already exist. They make it easy for patients to track their vaccinations.

The New York law would prevent someone who refused treatment for tuberculosis from wandering around and exposing others.

Anyone who works in a health care facility should be vaccinated against flu.

I read H.R. 1313. It does not "force" any vaccinations.

H.R. 1215 does not pre-empt current vaccine laws. It preserves the current no fault system, which holds that vaccine makers are not liable for adverse reactions that are not due to defects in vaccines. People who have adverse reactions to vaccines are compensated through a system that does not require suing anyone. But you know that, don't you?

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Why can't people do BOTH?! Will the Alt-Med gods smote you to even think such a thing?
The only thing is that the alt-med crew lay claim to such things as washing hands, eating well, and getting adequate rest. Those are not alt-med, they are just medicine.

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Smite. The Alt-Med gods smite you.

Probably with a celery stick.
Nah. They use a big slab of pine bark.
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Old 01-09-2018, 06:32 AM
 
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Those pawns of the Devil, the CDC, think the death toll from the flu could be even higher than that among seniors and the chronically ill. The flu weakens them enough so that they die from a different cause, which is the one that is reported.
Conversely a bad cold, not the flu, leading to pneumonia could be the culprit just as easily.
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Old 01-09-2018, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Southern California
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Why can't people do BOTH?! Will the Alt-Med gods smote you to even think such a thing?
MANY people do both, I do. But Far more non prescription drugs. My choice after many yrs on this earth and living thru damages of some drugs. But there is a group, here, who are so ANTI alt med, it's unbelievable and they do everything in their power to discredit others who go the alt route for their health and healing. Many against alt med actually make fun of posts from those who go this route. To me that is so immature. My grandkids wouldn't even make FUN of others and what they do.
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Old 01-09-2018, 10:39 AM
 
Location: SW Florida
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Smite. The Alt-Med gods smite you.

Probably with a celery stick.
Maybe smacked with a gob of grapes with lots of big seeds in them.

Actually, the last time I checked, vaccines WERE preventative measures.
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Old 01-09-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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Yes, take everything with a grain of salt, and what all the medical authorities tell us too. Maybe we've been told all the wrong info. Makes we wonder more after reading the article I posted about Getting Shingles In Younger People.
You will get no argument from me. I always assume any "study" that's being done is funded by a government. And I trust governments less than I trust casinos when they tell me the fantastic odds I have for winning a million dollars.

And that article is probably in the lowest 1% of trustworthiness IMHO.
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