Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Retirement
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 02-07-2018, 05:01 PM
 
18,250 posts, read 16,917,013 times
Reputation: 7553

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by nobodysbusiness View Post
Has the property been stepped up in value (was there ever any other owner who might have died and perhaps you did a Date of Death Appraisal)?

Is it in a trust?

Is it a commercial property (1031 Exchange eligible?)

If residential, is it eligible for exemption?

Etc., etc.

You do need expert advise.
It's a SFD in a living trust that has been rented since my mother bought it in '72 so the step-up doesn't apply here. I do know I will need an expert. I'm just looking for some ideas what he will tell me and if I used the online tax calculator wrong and the tax is actually higher and not offset-able by some little-known tax techniques.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 02-07-2018, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
18,058 posts, read 10,347,290 times
Reputation: 8828
Consider mortgaging it. You can do a reverse mortgage for half its value or to avoid the high front end costs of a reverse mortgage consider a conventional at 80%. Then make the payments on the mortgage out of the proceeds. You need to talk to your tax adviser about the ramification particularly when your mother passes on. If CA continues as it has you may even pick up enough value to offset the mortgage payments
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-07-2018, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
14,267 posts, read 6,954,430 times
Reputation: 17878
Things I would think about or ask the tax atty:

If the property was your mother's main home, is she eligible for the exclusion.

Was the house originally bought along with your dad (or someone else)? The basis may have changed when she inherited her half of the property.

What Medicare tax are you talking about? (besides what MathJak explained about having to pay higher Medicare premiums) when you have a high income year.

Be sure to get information based on the new tax laws.

Good luck. Let us know what you find out, taxwise.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-07-2018, 05:16 PM
 
1,803 posts, read 1,240,506 times
Reputation: 3626
Quote:
Originally Posted by thrillobyte View Post
I'm the trustee for my mother's living trust. She's 98 and doing well but not completely mentally efficient. I need to sell a property she bought in a good area in Los Angeles County back in the early 70's for about 15K. It has since appreciated to about 750K at last conversation with the agent who will sell it. The problem: the Federal capital gain is 20%, the state capital gain is 13.3% and the Medicare tax is 3.8% for a total of 37% directly to the combined governments. Is there any way to reduce these taxes without having to do Starker exchanges and similar exotic techniques? My mother needs the money for her very expensive care and I don't feel like I'm doing her estate justice by subjecting it to roughly 220K in taxes.
Is there any way to make it a primary residence for a couple years so at sale time it gets the 500k capital gains exemption?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-07-2018, 05:19 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
6,767 posts, read 3,857,559 times
Reputation: 6690
Don't pay a tax attny for such an easy question. Mortgage the property in one way or another. When she dies, the capital gain is gone. That's it, gratis.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-07-2018, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
14,267 posts, read 6,954,430 times
Reputation: 17878
Quote:
Originally Posted by DKM View Post
Don't pay a tax attny for such an easy question. Mortgage the property in one way or another. When she dies, the capital gain is gone. That's it, gratis.
The house is in a trust. Does that still apply?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-07-2018, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Dunnellon, FL
486 posts, read 654,120 times
Reputation: 1730
Quote:
Originally Posted by lvmensch View Post
Consider mortgaging it. You can do a reverse mortgage for half its value or to avoid the high front end costs of a reverse mortgage consider a conventional at 80%. Then make the payments on the mortgage out of the proceeds. You need to talk to your tax adviser about the ramification particularly when your mother passes on. If CA continues as it has you may even pick up enough value to offset the mortgage payments

1) She has to live in the property in order to get a reverse mortgage and it becomes due and payable when she vacates the property, such as moving to a nursing home.

2) There are no payments on a reverse mortgage. It just accumulates interest until the owner vacates and then the property is sold, foreclosed, or an heir pays off the mortgage. Irrelevant in this case as she doesn't live in the home, but just an FYI for future reference.

Conventional won't work unless she can prove she has enough income to make the payments on the mortgage. Most banks will only loan 75% of the appraised value of the house since it's a rental property and not her primary residence. I guess you could take that money and just not make any payments, putting the house into foreclosure, but somehow the word "fraud" enters my mind.

You need an attorney...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-07-2018, 05:58 PM
 
24,559 posts, read 18,254,477 times
Reputation: 40260
Quote:
Originally Posted by lvmensch View Post
Consider mortgaging it. You can do a reverse mortgage for half its value or to avoid the high front end costs of a reverse mortgage consider a conventional at 80%. Then make the payments on the mortgage out of the proceeds. You need to talk to your tax adviser about the ramification particularly when your mother passes on. If CA continues as it has you may even pick up enough value to offset the mortgage payments
This

Don't sell it. There will be zero estate taxes since it's way below the Federal and California limits. At age 98, how many years are left?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-07-2018, 06:07 PM
 
106,668 posts, read 108,810,853 times
Reputation: 80154
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cabound1 View Post
Is there any way to make it a primary residence for a couple years so at sale time it gets the 500k capital gains exemption?
that is not how it works anymore . the exclusion is prorated by the total amount of time owned vs the time it was a personal residence. the old convert to a personal residence and reap the rewards was done away with about a decade ago
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-07-2018, 06:34 PM
 
1,803 posts, read 1,240,506 times
Reputation: 3626
Quote:
Originally Posted by mathjak107 View Post
that is not how it works anymore . the exclusion is prorated by the total amount of time owned vs the time it was a personal residence. the old convert to a personal residence and reap the rewards was done away with about a decade ago
Did that just change with Trumps bill? The 500k exclusion part on a residence lived in for 2 years.....

I’m thinking you could transfer to an heir, have the heirs live in it for a couple years to get the 500k exclusion for living in a primary residence. I’m honestly not sure of the specifics, but a neighbor recently went into a nursing home, and the kids now own the house and intend to sell in a couple years. They are in the same situation....CA homethats appreciated 900k.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Retirement

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:22 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top