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Old 02-07-2019, 02:25 PM
 
Location: NYC
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We're not going to go into that stupid stereotype of Thailand as Sex Inc now are we?

I realize that for folks that don't travel & rely on gossip & hearsay & movies for info that is simply the ignorant attitude they hold. I remember as a kid Sweden was then looked at as a hotbed of wild & lacivisicous orgies & portrayed as home to wild women constantly in movies & by comedians.
Wild & crazy Sweden... I still have most of my family in Europe & they are appalled at the US as hotbed of gun massacres & ridiculous health insurance schemes & conmen as politicians, a barely socialized society populated mostly by the morbidly obese.

Are there nuggets of truth to all of these? Perhaps, but can't the finger-wagging ignorance & prejudice be contained as the rest of us adults try to brainstorm about retirement alternatives?
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Old 02-07-2019, 02:41 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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You can mostly blame the Vietnam War for the sex trade operating in Pat Pong. Bangkok was an official R&R center for American service men. And there were US Airforce bases operating out of Thailand.
I used to go to a comedy club in SoCal, one actor, I forgot which movie, possibly the movie “Good Morning, Vietnam”, he was making all kinds of jokes about BangKok, phonetically it does sound like there’s sex going on.
I personally have never been to Thailand, and have cautioned my kids from going there, maybe the media is to blame.
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Old 02-07-2019, 02:43 PM
 
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We're not going to go into that stupid stereotype of Thailand as Sex Inc now are we?

I realize that for folks that don't travel & rely on gossip & hearsay & movies for info that is simply the ignorant attitude they hold. I remember as a kid Sweden was then looked at as a hotbed of wild & lacivisicous orgies & portrayed as home to wild women constantly in movies & by comedians.
Wild & crazy Sweden... I still have most of my family in Europe & they are appalled at the US as hotbed of gun massacres & ridiculous health insurance schemes & conmen as politicians, a barely socialized society populated mostly by the morbidly obese.

Are there nuggets of truth to all of these? Perhaps, but can't the finger-wagging ignorance & prejudice be contained as the rest of us adults try to brainstorm about retirement alternatives?
A lot of old French movies showed a lot of Thai girls dancing naked and such, maybe it was the movie Emmanuel or the series of it.
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Old 02-07-2019, 04:41 PM
 
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I am acquainted with a couple of very unattractive men who travel to Thailand frequently. I can only imagine "why."

I think it's pathetic that men pay for sex.
Do you know these men are traveling there to pay for sex? Thailand receives tens of millions of tourists every year, it might be a bit presumptuous to assume every male that you consider unattractive is going there for that purpose.


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I personally have never been to Thailand, and have cautioned my kids from going there, maybe the media is to blame.
Nah I think an overly paranoid parent is to blame.


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A lot of old French movies showed a lot of Thai girls dancing naked and such, maybe it was the movie Emmanuel or the series of it.
You know they have strip clubs in USA too right? It there are naked girls dancing around all throughout the streets of Thailand we haven't noticed it.
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Old 02-07-2019, 05:21 PM
 
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Actually, Thailand is a very solid upright country, where it is illegal to even say anything that would be offensive to Buddhism or to the royal family. Once a day when they play the national anthem in public, everything stops for a minute of respect.
The wai as well. There is something nice about seeing even young folks who look a bit rough around the edges revert to custom and exchange a respectful wai to each other, or when parents have a toddler who can wai to adults before it can even speak a greeting.

It is funny when foreigners do it, they often put their elbows way out so looks like participants bowing right before a martial arts fight.


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Bangkok is really a rather conservative city. In Bangkok, there are two small street blocks (Patpong 1 and 2) and another small street block on the other side of the city (Soi Cowboy) with nightclubs and I imagine "exotic dancers", but you don't see anything of that kind anywhere else in the city.
Nana is is another area, but like you said it's not like every bar in every city is full of naked women and exotic dancers. Ironically there is a lot more pornography and consumerism related to sex in Japan, which few people consider taboo for visiting. In Japan you'll find multi-story sex shops in strip malls right next to electronics stores and book stores, and their stuff is angled a lot more at youth being objects of desire than anything in Thailand.

One of the most interesting things about Thailand is the weird blend of conservative polite Buddhist culture and the stranger side like the wide acceptance of cross-gender identities, even among younger children. Live and let live.
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Old 02-07-2019, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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My wife and I were in Thailand a few years ago, and our local team was going to be in the Superbowl while we were there. We happened to be in Bangkok on Superbowl Sunday so I looked on the Internet to find a bar with a big-screen TV that would show the SB live. We found such a bar and got a cab to it at 4am, which is when the game was live.

Got to the bar and ran in, didn't pay much attention to it but noticed there were tons of bar-girls in the place. It was full of Americans all watching the game. The bar had set up a breakfast buffet. It was a lot of fun. Our team (Seahawks) won, too! When we came out of the bar at 7am or so, we noticed it was in the middle of what looked like a red light district - lots of go-go bars. The place we were in was probably one also but wasn't really "go-go'ing" while we were there.

Anyway, it was tons of fun.
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Old 02-07-2019, 05:29 PM
 
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Thailand. However, I am the type of person that would not want aggressive (or any) treatment unless it is known to be associated with very good survival (ie, standard chemo protocols for some leukemias), and I would not want experimental drugs. I WOULD want good terminal comfort measures. Medicine in major hospitals in Thailand is the same quality as in the US, nursing care is better, the cost is incomparably cheaper.
Yes, I agree on the idea of no aggressive treatments. One thing I would want is good hospice though. My mom was on hospice and they took good care of her - massages, home nursing, psychological help, tons of morphine. I wouldn't want to die alone and in pain. The US does take good care of people at that stage, it is part of Medicare.
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Old 02-07-2019, 05:53 PM
 
Location: We_tside PNW (Columbia Gorge) / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Personally, I'd rather throw in the towel than move to SE Asia, LOL. It's just way too different for me and I would never adjust. I'd even be afraid to eat the food not really knowing what kind of meat is used in some of those great looking dishes.
OK,,, thx,

Guess you are not "in" on the theme.
"The perils of retirement in Thailand"

Many of us have limited choices (which do NOT include staying 'home' in USA). (lots of reasons... Uninsurable in USA, CEO robbed the pension, unexpected lawsuit or divorce grabbed the retirement account, some don't feel safe in USA (for good reason). )

Thailand... Not the best / only place to escape, but the food, medical, hospitality, safety, friendliness, cost, availability, centrality of region (which CHEAP transport to nearby countries), strong infrastructure (for SE Asia).

I have never bee concerned about the quality (or content) of the food in Thailand. You can get all kinds of food!. Need KFC?, you can get it (if you must).
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Old 02-07-2019, 06:48 PM
 
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Actually, Thailand is a very solid upright country, where it is illegal to even say anything that would be offensive to Buddhism or to the royal family. Once a day when they play the national anthem in public, everything stops for a minute of respect. Bangkok is really a rather conservative city. In Bangkok, there are two small street blocks (Patpong 1 and 2) and another small street block on the other side of the city (Soi Cowboy) with nightclubs and I imagine "exotic dancers", but you don't see anything of that kind anywhere else in the city. That Soi Cowboy little alley is surrounded by a normal busy business district without any indication of seediness or smut, and a major historic society with a restored traditional house-museum is practically across the street. I have no idea where all that alleged Thai prostitution and pedophilia is, at least in Bangkok - I know the city very well, and have never seen anything remotely pornographic except in these three microscopically small alleys. And btw, prostitution is not legal in Thailand.
Interesting. So everything we hear about the sex trade in Bangkok is just rumor?

And the unattractive men I am acquainted with who like to hang out there are just going for the food or scenery?

And to tag onto my last post: I guess if men didn't pay for sex, they would just go around raping more. Because men are the rapists - there is no disputing that - and there is no backlash from other non-rapist men against the rapists. "It's all good," apparently!
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Old 02-07-2019, 06:52 PM
 
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You can mostly blame the Vietnam War for the sex trade operating in Pat Pong. Bangkok was an official R&R center for American service men. And there were US Airforce bases operating out of Thailand.
Blame that particular war, or blame the men who require such services while on R&R. It has nothing to do with war - and everything to do with "supply and demand."
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