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Old 06-04-2019, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Denver CO
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This is so true. When we were in school (even high school) kids typically went with their parents to the local Woolworths or whatever sometime in mid August and bought a few of those black and white notebooks, some #2 pencils and a ballpoint pen. Then on the first day our various teachers gave us a list of things to get (like X number of spiral notebooks, ring binder with dividers, etc) before the next class or before next Monday and the stores would be a bit of a zoo in between. If you were taking math you probably had to buy stuff like a protractor, a t-square, one of those things shaped like a D (yeah I hated math, LOL) if you didn't have them already, and maybe a slide rule if you were taking something Really Advanced like calculus. Heck, we weren't even allowed to bring a calculator to school during the late 1960s!

Out of curiosity I just googled the Field Trip prices in the school district that my son went to in the 80s (high school) and my granddaughter will be attending eventually (my parents paid little or nothing for field trips I went on back in the day). The prices depend on the duration of the field trip, start to finish:

If using school buses within school hours (9:30 am - 1:30 pm): 1 hr $62, 2 hrs $125, 3 hrs $188, 4 hours $250. Plus fractions of hours: 15 mins $16, 30 mins $32, 45 mins $47

If using non-school buses within school hours: 2 hrs (minimum charge) $145, 3 hrs $218, 4 hrs $290. Overtime fee $36 per 30 mins. If a student cancels less than an hour before the start of the trip there is a $145 cancellation fee.

If using non-school buses outside of school hours: There is a 4-hour minimum charge if if trip is shorter. 4 hrs (actual or minimum) $415, 5 hrs $517, 6 hrs $621, 10 hours (such as an overnight) $1035. Plus an Overtime Fee of $55 per 30 minutes.

Our part of the USA pays some of the highest school taxes in the nation and so these fees aren't the result of a district that's starved for Federal funds or on austerity or anything. It's just a reflection of what normal school activities can cost nowadays.

When I was in high school we went on a field trip to Dinosaur State Park which is about 3 hours from where I grew up. So between getting there, being there, and getting back (we thought it was SOOO cool that we rode in actual buses instead of school buses for that one, lol) it was 8 hours at least. I think my parents had to pay something like $10 or $12 for me to go on that one in 1966 (because it didn't use school buses) and they gave me a few dollars along with the lunch and snacks we were all advised to bring. Nowadays that same trip would cost them about $700.
There is no way every child on a bus is paying $125 for a school bus or $145 for a non-school bus for a 2 hour bus ride. Those prices are for the use of the whole bus, divided by however many students are riding.
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Old 06-05-2019, 12:15 AM
 
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Having kids is one of those "If you ask the price, you can't afford it" questions.

DH & I never for an instant considered the question/price. OP, the very fact that you are considering it makes me think you should take a pass.
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Old 06-05-2019, 02:53 AM
 
Location: colorado springs, CO
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Kids don’t have to be expensive. We had 3.
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There is no financial burden to having children. There are expenses. But if you don't spend it on them you will spend it on other things unless you are planning on lining your coffin with it. It's not a question of affordability, it's a question of what you want to spend your money on.
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Where do people get these ideas that raising a kid costs an arm and a leg? They don't.
I’m not understanding this either. A while ago I noticed a trend with articles concerned with ‘when you are financially ready to start a family ...’.

Not saying that’s an unnecessary discussion but it wasn’t the topic that seemed strange but how it was framed. I finally realized that these articles could have been written with a fill-in-the-blank template from the ‘when you are financially ready to retire ...’, articles.

And I’m old enough to remember when the old timers would tell you; “If you wait until you’re ready; you’ll never have kids!” Or; “A crib? What’d you need a fancy crib for? My bed was a dresser drawer & I turned out alright!”

I started wondering if people might start trying to plan for retirement & baby at the same time. My parents were a married, college educated couple ages 25 & 26 when they had me & I never wanted for anything. Now we have 40 year old upper-middle class people wondering if they are ‘ready’?
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Old 06-05-2019, 07:52 AM
 
Location: State of Denial
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In an ideal world, I would have been able to skip directly to grandchildren. Much more fun! Also cheaper. AND I'm the good cop all the time.
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Old 06-05-2019, 08:17 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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I beg to differ about kids not costing money. They do. What kids require is expensive, even if you try to be economical. If two parents work, child care is a draining expense. Once the kid is in school, she needs fees for this and that. There are costs associated with scouting, field trips, day camps. Kids these days are expected to appear on the first day of school with $50 or $60 worth of supplies each. If one or more of the kids shows talent, then you get involved with programs and competitions that have fees, involve expensive lessons and possibly involve large purchases.

And expenses continue until the kid is out on his own.

But I love my kids and grandkids. I would not do over my life without my kids. But, they were expensive.

As to later pregnancies, a family member has had a child at age 40. Pregnancy had problems, but kid turned out perfect. Years later, that child is more than fine. I do agree about genetic counseling for when both parents are older than 40. Neither parent should be smokers and should be in good health.
A lot of those expectations are cultural, and even the availability of such programs depends on where you live. There are nowhere near the amount of advanced academics and extracurricular programs in small towns or rural areas that there are in good city schools or affluent suburbs.
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Old 06-05-2019, 08:20 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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My kids never went to any summer programs when they were younger, I wanted them to have a carefree summer. Less neurotic that way, like my husband and I did when we were younger. It’s time to decompress for them.
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Old 06-05-2019, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Southeast Michigan
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My youngest was born when I was in my early forties, husband was in mid forties. He is going into his last year of college (turning 21) and we are recently retired. It is working out very well. The other three are in their thirties.
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Old 06-05-2019, 10:22 AM
 
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My kids never went to any summer programs when they were younger, I wanted them to have a carefree summer. Less neurotic that way, like my husband and I did when we were younger. It’s time to decompress for them.
We did scouts, which was year round. That cost practically nothing and it was fun. And he did 2 years of summer swim lessons which was fabulous for him. We did spring soccer for a couple of years, very little cost. The most expensive thing we did was taekwondo - but it did him a world of good. He was a very timid child - martial arts had a great balancing effect for him.

He tried rec football (his dad desperately wanted a football playing son ) and although he was really very good (he was the quarterback) he didn’t like the demands on his time...and frankly neither did I. His high school years were devoted to just school. Which was fine with me.
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Old 06-05-2019, 10:51 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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We did scouts, which was year round. That cost practically nothing and it was fun. And he did 2 years of summer swim lessons which was fabulous for him. We did spring soccer for a couple of years, very little cost. The most expensive thing we did was taekwondo - but it did him a world of good. He was a very timid child - martial arts had a great balancing effect for him.

He tried rec football (his dad desperately wanted a football playing son ) and although he was really very good (he was the quarterback) he didn’t like the demands on his time...and frankly neither did I. His high school years were devoted to just school. Which was fine with me.
My kids did that year round, but that’s not as a special summer program like going away type of special camp. One kid was in Girls Scout, swim, and soccer. The other one only did soccer and light swimming, she refused to be on a swim team.
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Old 06-05-2019, 11:16 AM
 
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There is no way every child on a bus is paying $125 for a school bus or $145 for a non-school bus for a 2 hour bus ride. Those prices are for the use of the whole bus, divided by however many students are riding.
Yeah, do you really think the school bus company charges $3750 to take a class of 30 kids on a two-hour field trip? If so, I think I'm going to go look for a job driving a school bus.

I'm baffled by some of the school expenses parents here are claiming they had to pay. My son is finishing up 8th grade at the local public school. We supplied him with a backpack, a couple of binders, lined paper, pens and pencils. Everything else has been provided by the school virtually free of charge. All books are free; the students just give them back when they are done with them. Each student was issued a Chromebook (laptop) which they will give back at the end of the year, which is next week. Also free. Field trips were $10 or $15.

Yes, college is very expensive if your child goes straight from high school to a private university. My older daughter chose to go instead to the local community college for her GE. Classes are $46 per unit, so a 3-unit class is $138 per semester. Not going to break the bank. My younger daughter is still in high school, but she is currently taking some summer courses at the same community college. Fees are waived for high school students so her classes are free, and she's banking some credits for her future education. Parents don't have to spend hundreds of thousands on every child; that's just absurd.
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