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Old Yesterday, 11:38 AM
 
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Most Jews are politically liberal and democratic. I'm Jewish but an ultra right wing gun owning Republican gun owning Jew.

So I possess two different ideals. The Jewish ideal, and the conservative one.

I'm a hybrid.
Most Orthodox and "up" Jews are conservative, IMHO....the basic split is evidenced in Israel. The "settlers" are gun-toting with 10 kids each and "men only" clubs and, in fact, many of their women dress in black and some with other cover ups (sometimes full cover).

The Tel Aviv crowd which produces the stuff (high tech, etc.) are secular and, in fact, many don't believe in either god or religion. There are more of these then the Right Wing except they aren't having as many kids, so in the future Israel may be completely Right Wing (or mostly).

There are exceptions...but in general there is a fairly stark divide. American Jews and Tel Avia (etc.) Jews are very strongly liberal except for the Hasidic (Americans) and other Fundamentalists.

Many of the Fundamentalists, BTW, don't believe in Zionism...many don't believe in Israel. You can go to Isreal and find many strict Jews who say they would rather live under a conservative Arab government as opposed to a super-liberal Jewish one! This is for the obvious reasons.....the ideas of liberalism and gender equality and all of that are completely foreign to them. Many are even members of the government.

Oh, I should mention that gun-toting only applies to their settlements. Strict Jews in Israel do not serve in the Military and are largely on "welfare" from the state as their goal in life is studying and praying.
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Old Yesterday, 11:48 AM
 
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Most Orthodox and "up" Jews are conservative, IMHO....the basic split is evidenced in Israel.
The split is also evidenced in America. In the 2004 presidential election, approximately 25% of all Jews voted for Bush. However, approximately 50% of Jews who considered themselves observant, voted for Bush.

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Old Yesterday, 12:46 PM
 
Location: northern New England
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Just a note to keep political discussion out of this thread, or it may be moved to P&OC. This is Retirement. OP asked a question, please confine your answers to answering his question. Thanks.
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Old Yesterday, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
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OP here:

No, need the Jewish deli and a Dr Browns cream soda a couple of times a week!!!
I am hybrid Jew - politically very conservative, wear cowboy hat, ex-cop, have guns, have truck, have a rottweiler dog. Left Seattle for Boise, IDAHO because I couldn't take the socialist state any longer!

Wife is retiring and looking for a home. Can take a plane to see the 6 grandchildren in the wetlands.

What's wrong with staying put in Boise? No deli? There is Zabar's for that. No place is going to be perfect, Boise hits a lot of the right notes for me. Am in eastern WA myself, with the anti-gun agenda coming out of King County here, I am thinking about retirement in ID now.
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Old Yesterday, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
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prefer 4 seasons with a milder winter. Mountains are nice and ocean within 2 hours would be ideal. 350K for now as we still have our Montana off grid cabin! We fly fish, shoot guns, ATV backroads, etc.

Unless you mean 2 hours by private plane, being within 2 hour's drive of salt water puts you into liberal country, at least at the state level. As far as I know, that is. Exceptions along the South Atlantic and Gulf, but all this is humid country. Much of it with hurricanes.
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Old Yesterday, 01:42 PM
 
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We are looking for a smaller town with character of course near larger city with good medical facilities,
activities, etc.
We live in Boise for now, grandchildren are in Seattle. We want to be part of a conservative synagogue
(nothing here) and have some of my ex-New York Jewish roots and have access to a real NY style deli before I die!

So where does a politically conservative Jew looking for a smaller town live? I don't think it exists!

Not on the left coast, that's liberal territory


Conservative political views are almost non existent today (we put up with the libs, just because we've lived here so long) except for Chabad


Take a road trip to St L, Cleveland, Detroit or?? for your corned beef on rye. (We drive to Shapiros in Indy, or 3Bs in Del Rey, from Cincy a few times a year for our cholesterol fix)

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Old Yesterday, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Upper Left Hand Corner
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This is such an essentialisation of Jews that I am aghast that this passes for a thread. What an earth is a hybrid Jew?
He was joking, relax. Why on earth would that statement make you aghast? It was just a humorous self description, and shouldn't offend anyone.

This is a very good thread. I hope to pick up some ideas of where to live myself.
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Old Yesterday, 01:46 PM
 
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Near Boca?



He/she said Boise, not Boca


Hell, Boca is more lib than left coast. Stick with Chabad.
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Old Yesterday, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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We are looking for a smaller town with character of course near larger city with good medical facilities,
activities, etc.
We live in Boise for now, grandchildren are in Seattle. We want to be part of a conservative synagogue
(nothing here) and have some of my ex-New York Jewish roots and have access to a real NY style deli before I die!

So where does a politically conservative Jew looking for a smaller town live? I don't think it exists!

Here is some advice from a friendly Goy. Go into google maps and zero in on Portland Oregon. I typed in Jewish Deli and found Kenny and Zukes Deli, Kenny and Zukes Bagelworks, and Kornblatts. I also found three temples in Portland, and a bunch of temples SW of Portland.
I assume you meant Boise Idaho. I noticed that there is a Boise across the river from Portland.
Good luck. It looks like a good fit. Route 5 will take you right up to Seattle.


Since you are politically conservative, you might like the Villages near Orlando. I checked it out twice. I didn't see the value in buying away from the coast where it's cooler.

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Old Yesterday, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Upper Left Hand Corner
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What's wrong with staying put in Boise? No deli? There is Zabar's for that. No place is going to be perfect, Boise hits a lot of the right notes for me. Am in eastern WA myself, with the anti-gun agenda coming out of King County here, I am thinking about retirement in ID now.
From what I've read on Boise, it is a liberal enclave in a sea of conservatism. The OP wants a conservative smaller town not far from a bigger one. Boise also didn't have the shuls he, and his wife desire, nor the food.
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