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Old 07-27-2019, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Illinois
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The old cliche is that the more you put into something, the more you get out of it.
Teachers, counselors, coaches, everyone says that. It is not always true, I found. Over the years
I have put a great amount of effort into projects, and actually achieved much less. So it is frustrating
and a sort of dead-end,aggravating. maybe a waste of time?
Examples: searching for fulfilling jobs, finding someone to marry, publishing work, moving, etc. If your goal relies on other people, then who knows? Sometimes the things you worry about are NOT the things that end up mattering to you.
P.S. This idea came from Karl Marx, who wrote that about the toiling workers of his time.

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Old 07-27-2019, 08:18 AM
 
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Lower your standards and you'll be happy the rest of you life.
"Good Enough" is enough.

If you don't believe me, go search for a parking space and wait in two lines to pay $4 for a 69 cent cup of coffee.
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Old 07-27-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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If all that mattered were the hours you put in, waitresses would rule the world.
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Old 07-27-2019, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Loudon, TN
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You consider finding someone to marry a project?? Don't you just wait until you fall in love with a compatible person? And moving?...what you get out of it is you now live in a new place, so I don't see how you get less out of it if you put more effort into it. It's the same outcome, you live in a new place, except if you do it yourself you're more tired and probably hurt your back lifting that darn couch.
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Old 07-27-2019, 09:12 AM
 
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The old cliche is that the more you put into something, the more you get out of it.
Teachers, counselors, coaches, everyone says that. It is not always true, I found. Over the years
I have put a great amount of effort into projects, and actually achieved much less. So it is frustrating
and a sort of dead-end,aggravating. maybe a waste of time?
Examples: searching for fulfilling jobs, finding someone to marry, publishing work, moving, etc. If your goal relies on other people, then who knows? Sometimes the things you worry about are NOT the things that end up mattering to you.
P.S. This idea came from Karl Marx, who wrote that about the toiling workers of his time.

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Do you overthink things? I always get good results with little effort.

Well except now for putting my mind to stop packing on these pounds.
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Old 07-27-2019, 09:35 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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The old cliche is that the more you put into something, the more you get out of it.
Teachers, counselors, coaches, everyone says that. It is not always true, I found. Over the years
I have put a great amount of effort into projects, and actually achieved much less. So it is frustrating
and a sort of dead-end,aggravating. maybe a waste of time?
Examples: searching for fulfilling jobs, finding someone to marry, publishing work, moving, etc. If your goal relies on other people, then who knows? Sometimes the things you worry about are NOT the things that end up mattering to you.
P.S. This idea came from Karl Marx, who wrote that about the toiling workers of his time.

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Who is this "everyone?" I don't say it.

There is a difference between effort and success. If you are trying to learn to play a musical instrument, practice helps -up to the point of your abilities. If you are trying to get to the other side of a brick wall, you can put great effort into banging your head against it... or you can walk around it.
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Old 07-27-2019, 11:23 AM
 
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Who is this "everyone?" I don't say it.
There's a pervasive theme in American culture, that effort --> success, so that lack of success implies lack of effort (by contrapositive). It's all part of self-bootstrapping, DIY, practice-makes-perfect, and "anything worth doing, is worth doing well". Here's a related thread: “You mean you aren’t even going to try?!?:” Our bias towards action

While of course there's some connection between making an effort, and obtaining some result, the popular trope is excessive. This is why I contend, that "Of most things that are worth doing, few are actually worth doing well". And I'd add, that the older than one gets, the clearer this lesson becomes.
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Old 07-27-2019, 12:54 PM
 
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A$$, Ga$, or Gra$$, nobody rides for free.

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Old 07-27-2019, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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You consider finding someone to marry a project?? Don't you just wait until you fall in love with a compatible person?
Of course it’s a project, if you’re looking for someone with certain traits or life goals.

Or you could just do what some women do, fall for every bad boy loser that glances your way.
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Old 07-27-2019, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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sometimes the journey is more important than the goal.
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