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Old 08-05-2019, 09:07 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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How do you all know if the fish was never frozen?

Don't fishing vessels have flash freeze cargo holds, as well as the processing/distribution facilities?

Just because it isn't frozen in the display case doesn't guarantee the fish hasn't been frozen at some point from hook or net to your grocery cart.
It looks different. The ones from Sprouts look much different from the Costco. Plus it always states previously frozen near the fish.
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:15 AM
 
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It looks different. The ones from Sprouts look much different from the Costco. Plus it always states previously frozen near the fish.
I don't buy it.

A commercial fishing vessel goes out for days at a time to catch fish - so you're telling me that at no time in all those days at sea catching fish, they aren't frozen?

Anecdotal of course, but when watching Andrew Zimmern's Best Destinations, the busiest seafood market in Tokyo showed the tuna coming in frozen solid with ice on top for the premier sushi chef's to make the day's choice.
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:22 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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I don't buy it.

A commercial fishing vessel goes out for days at a time to catch fish - so you're telling me that at no time in all those days at sea catching fish, they aren't frozen?

Anecdotal of course, but when watching Andrew Zimmern's Best Destinations, the busiest seafood market in Tokyo showed the tuna coming in frozen solid with ice on top for the premier sushi chef's to make the day's choice.
For sushi they have to be previously frozen to kill parasites. I usually buy the fish from Costco Roadshow, they are fresh, then I filet them and put in freezer too.
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:50 AM
 
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I don't buy it.

A commercial fishing vessel goes out for days at a time to catch fish - so you're telling me that at no time in all those days at sea catching fish, they aren't frozen?

Anecdotal of course, but when watching Andrew Zimmern's Best Destinations, the busiest seafood market in Tokyo showed the tuna coming in frozen solid with ice on top for the premier sushi chef's to make the day's choice.
My understanding is that unless a day catch for local markets they are flash frozen as you suggest. That is why I made the comment earlier about farm raised may be the only fresh alternative in less u are on the coast or it is lake fish.
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:57 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Same here.

We do have Sam's Club, but Sam's is a big cut below Costco in terms of food (especially meat) quality. I had been going to Costco fairly regularly, but let my membership expire in April and did not renew it. The nearest one is a little over two hours away. I have to take a large cooler, fill that thing full of ice at a nearby gas station, etc. It's just a real pain.

We have Earthfare, but they are a poor imitation of Whole Foods or Sprouts. Other than that, Kroger and a regional chain called Ingle's are the only options outside of Walmart.

One of my biggest complaints moving back here to Tennessee is that the grocery stores are very expensive and quality/variety is just awful. The stores here are far worse than when I lived in Iowa and Indiana.

I bought a lot of produce from a local farming outfit that has their own "farm store" this weekend. Local tomatoes were $1.89/lb. They're $.98/lb at Ingle's for ones that aren't local. Corn was $5/dozen. You can get ears for $.33 at Walmart, but they are shriveled and don't even look like corn. I bought a quart of locally grown blueberries for $6. I can get the same amount at Aldi for $3. None of that "mass market" produce tastes anywhere nearly as good as locally grown.
In NJ, I have a good farm stand about a ten-minute drive away. Nice, local peaches and vegetables grown right there, Jersey tomatoes, Jersey corn, and other stuff like blueberries brought up from South Jersey. If you want lettuce, you tell them if you want the red or green or both, and one of the kids runs out to the field and cuts it for you.

I got there one morning, and the guy was just putting out green beans. Born To Run was playing from the radio, and I laughed and said, "You're trying to do the whole Jersey atmosphere thing here, eh, playing Springsteen?" The guy said, "He comes here all the time. He lives only a few minutes from here."

Good to know Bruce is eating his fruits and vegetables.
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Old 08-05-2019, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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My understanding is that unless a day catch for local markets they are flash frozen as you suggest. That is why I made the comment earlier about farm raised may be the only fresh alternative in less u are on the coast or it is lake fish.
Farm raised tastes "wrong", though, and it doesn't have the Omego-3 health benefits because of what it is fed. Or so I read.
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Old 08-05-2019, 10:02 AM
 
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I don't buy it.

A commercial fishing vessel goes out for days at a time to catch fish - so you're telling me that at no time in all those days at sea catching fish, they aren't frozen?

Anecdotal of course, but when watching Andrew Zimmern's Best Destinations, the busiest seafood market in Tokyo showed the tuna coming in frozen solid with ice on top for the premier sushi chef's to make the day's choice.
There are multiple definitions of "fresh".
Anything in a supermarket labeled as fresh doesn't mean picked that day, caught that day, butchered that day. It's as fresh as it can be within the FDA/USDA guidelines and rules.

Take eggs for example. The farmer has up to 30 days to get them from the chicken into the carton. The store has 30 days to sell them. So any carton of eggs you buy could be up to 2 months old. They aren't bad though; just not a fresh as you may think.

Refrigerating raw food in transit is allowed and they can still use the "fresh" label on it.
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Old 08-05-2019, 10:05 AM
 
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Farm raised tastes "wrong", though, and it doesn't have the Omego-3 health benefits because of what it is fed. Or so I read.
Farm raised has high levels of omega-6 which is not good for you.
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Old 08-05-2019, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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How do you all know if the fish was never frozen?
I assume any fish I buy was flash frozen, but that is different than frozen. Once flash-frozen, it has to be thawed to cut into fillets and packaged. If it is then subsequently frozen the cells burst from the formation of ice which makes the meat weird, IMO. It is the latter I want to avoid, not the flash-freezing (which does not burst cells).
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Old 08-05-2019, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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Farm raised has high levels of omega-6 which is not good for you.
Exactly.
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