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Old 05-18-2012, 10:45 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Going to be 62 in August. I don't own anything- have no property- and live hand to mouth- all of my siblings are well off and set for life..myself- I chose the road of freedom and did what I pleased all my life..and now I am paying for all that fun and freedom.

BUT I did take out an insurance policy in the form of children- I managed to raise four wonderful kids..and I still have a close and supportive relationship with my wife - who I do not live with...I guess if it were not for family- I would be living like a starving dog..but they love me- and are loyal> I feel sorry for people who do not have family. The lady in Montana that is mentioned in this thread..seems to be in dire straights..all I can suggest is maybe it's time to go home and be with relatives- but some families are not close- which is a modern shame- where money is more important than blood.
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Old 05-18-2012, 11:17 PM
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Location: Cody, WY
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^^Don't know what Happy in Wyoming's life experience has been, but watching C-Span daily has opened my eyes to the serious disconnect in this country between those living in less populated rural areas and those living in heavily populated urban areas. The conservative, more rural part of the country has rigid views on all these "handouts." with no understanding of, or patience for, the social dynamics occurring in the cities.
I'm originally from the Chicago area and have spent plenty of time in that foul city. I've also traveled extensively (far too much) on business and am very familiar with the large cities including New York and Los Angeles. That's the reason I live in the sagebrush and cactus of Wyoming now. It's also the reason I'm very rigid in my views on the proper manner to treat the detritus of society.

In NYC crime dropped dramatically when it was no longer tolerated. If we no longer tolerate and support the parasitic hordes their numbers too will drop. Eventually they'll either become productive citizens or perish.

We, the geriatric component of the population, have the most to fear from these people and the most to gain from removing them from our midst. Many of us old people are willing to defend ourselves from them with deadly force as is proper. But it's far more pleasant to live without them.

I welcome people of any age who have hopes, dreams, ambitions, and a good work ethic. I don't care if they're rich or poor or somewhere in between. But I will not tolerate parasitic wretches who would dirty and despoil the place I make my home.

Even retirees need a work ethic. It's the moral force which prevents people from wasting money in a bar or casino or participating in unsavory activities of any sort. The term work ethic is just another name for responsibility.
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Old 05-19-2012, 10:32 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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Many of the places described in the above posts are not geared to help people who are marginally poor but rather the populations of "homeless", a euphemism for bums who are frequently alcoholics, drug addicts, and criminals. These aren't people who were caught by circumstances. These are predators who won't work but are happy to intimidate others, particularly the weak, into giving them money. ... .

Let's not lump all poor people together. They are not all the same. ....
Or they're mentally ill people with no resources. Or someone who was laid off due to the recession and has just been foreclosed on. Or veterans who are traumatized.

Let's not lump all homeless people together. They are not all the same.
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Old 05-19-2012, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Default This is not a very reliable "insurance policy".

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Going to be 62 in August. I don't own anything- have no property- and live hand to mouth- all of my siblings are well off and set for life..myself- I chose the road of freedom and did what I pleased all my life..and now I am paying for all that fun and freedom.

BUT I did take out an insurance policy in the form of children- I managed to raise four wonderful kids..
While I hope that in your case the "insurance policy" turns out to be solid, there are many cases in which having children provides no guarantee of anything. Examples of that are children who, as adults, turn out to be mentally ill, long-term alcoholics, drug-addicted, or destitute themselves through pure irresponsibility and laziness. I know of more examples than I like to think about, even just within my own extended family, of adult children who remain a burden to their parents as long as the parents are alive. These adult children would be totally incapable of giving any support to their aging parents. Instead, the aging parents worry about making provisions for these children after the parents are gone.
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Old 05-19-2012, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Forests of Maine
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^^Don't know what Happy in Wyoming's life experience has been, but watching C-Span daily has opened my eyes to the serious disconnect in this country between those living in less populated rural areas and those living in heavily populated urban areas. The conservative, more rural part of the country has rigid views on all these "handouts." with no understanding of, or patience for, the social dynamics occurring in the cities.

They may say they moved to the country to get away from that. But moving away, or never having been exposed because you've always lived rural, does not eliminate the reality of the heavily populated states/cities.

This in no way ignores the abuses and graft endemic in some of these programs.

Nonetheless, regionally, we certainly are a country divided.
You do not need C-Span to know that poverty exists.

I live in a rural area. I do not watch C-span as there is no cable in my township. Since they shutdown all high-power TV broadcast in favor of low-power digital, TV broadcast now only covers the cities. [if your station's signal can only go out 40 miles to form a 40-mile radius circle, you get more viewers if that circle is in a city with 100,000 people. As compared to a rural area with only 100 people] So we have no TV either, our access to 'shows' is via the WWW.

I live in a region where the average household income is around $25k per family.

My pension is small, though by living in this region my pension puts us at about average for this area. Instead of being the poorest folk in town, we are about middle of the herd.

I know that homeless tent cities have sprouted up in my home state of California. I have been out there, and I have seen it myself.

I understand that 'reality' includes that in some areas a family raising children on $25k/year is 'poverty'; in this area that is simply middle of the herd.

I 'handout' free eggs, veggies and sometimes chicken and pork to folks in need; because I have a surplus and they have need.

I encourage folks to come on my land to pick fiddleheads or to harvest firewood. Again I have surplus and they have need.

This is what I see rural people doing.
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Old 05-19-2012, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Going to be 62 in August. I don't own anything- have no property- and live hand to mouth- all of my siblings are well off and set for life..myself- I chose the road of freedom and did what I pleased all my life..and now I am paying for all that fun and freedom.

BUT I did take out an insurance policy in the form of children- I managed to raise four wonderful kids..and I still have a close and supportive relationship with my wife - who I do not live with...I guess if it were not for family- I would be living like a starving dog..but they love me- and are loyal> I feel sorry for people who do not have family. The lady in Montana that is mentioned in this thread..seems to be in dire straights..all I can suggest is maybe it's time to go home and be with relatives- but some families are not close- which is a modern shame- where money is more important than blood.
Kidding, right?!! How presumptuous of you. You lived life on your own terms and now view your family as an insurance policy in your old-age????

Wow. If you didn't have the number of posts you do, I would have thought this was a troll post. Unbelievable.
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While I hope that in your case the "insurance policy" turns out to be solid, there are many cases in which having children provides no guarantee of anything. Examples of that are children who, as adults, turn out to be mentally ill, long-term alcoholics, drug-addicted, or destitute themselves through pure irresponsibility and laziness. I know of more examples than I like to think about, even just within my own extended family, of adult children who remain a burden to their parents as long as the parents are alive. These adult children would be totally incapable of giving any support to their aging parents. Instead, the aging parents worry about making provisions for these children after the parents are gone.
Exactly. Not to mention, it is wrong to expect them to.
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Old 05-19-2012, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Or they're mentally ill people with no resources. Or someone who was laid off due to the recession and has just been foreclosed on. Or veterans who are traumatized.

Let's not lump all homeless people together. They are not all the same.
This is the rigid "disconnect" I am talking about.
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Old 05-19-2012, 03:03 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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... Not to mention, it is wrong to expect them to.
In some cultures (Middle Eastern, Mexican), it's expected. It sounds harsh to us who don't have the unspoken agreement that kids take care of parents. But it's simply reality for others.
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Old 05-19-2012, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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In some cultures (Middle Eastern, Mexican), it's expected. It sounds harsh to us who don't have the unspoken agreement that kids take care of parents. But it's simply reality for others.
And even in the United States if you go back 60 or more years, that's pretty much the way it was here too. Life was very, very different, and I don't mean just that they didn't have computers.
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Old 05-19-2012, 08:04 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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... If we no longer tolerate and support the parasitic hordes their numbers too will drop. Eventually they'll either become productive citizens or perish.

We, the geriatric component of the population, have the most to fear from these people and the most to gain from removing them from our midst. Many of us old people are willing to defend ourselves from them with deadly force as is proper. But it's far more pleasant to live without them.

... But I will not tolerate parasitic wretches who would dirty and despoil the place I make my home.
Yikes.

All kinds of bells, whistles, and flags are going off in my mind.

Quite frankly it is beginning to sound like one of Adolf Hitler's rants against Jews, Gypsies, Gays and other "undesirables."

I do understand the disgust and aggravation against those dishonest and even criminal individuals who know how to abuse and take advantage of the system to milk it for what they can. It happens, and there always will be these scam artists who figure out a way to take advantage of safety nets designed to help the elderly and the genuinely poor. On the other hand, I also recognize that rich folks, POLITICIANS, religious leaders, and others are also sometimes utterly corrupt and enhance their wealth and privileges illegally or through dishonest manipulation.

If a woman represents herself as making less money than she actually makes in order to qualify for food stamps, she is committing a crime.

If a politician receives bribes, or a corporate executive doesn't report all his income and shelters his wealth in the Cayman Islands, they are also committing a crime.

All this talk of "eliminating" people alarms me.
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