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[GraniteStater]

The climate in Rochester is like the tropics compared with the Adirondack Mountains. Saranac Lake is already at the end of their growing season and had a frost last month and a freeze already this month! Temperatures there were lower than -30F even in March. I call the Adirondacks the antarctic. The growing season may last two months at the most, but few people live there.

[shibainu]

Originally Posted by garmin239

I never said it did not snow in April. I said that we don't get constant snow storms in April like you claim.
The "facts" you posted do not represent the whole picture. You selectively chose data to make the place look cold all the time. And you also made several claims not backed by any facts.
There really is not a "longest" season as weather changes each year. Sometimes you get more snow than other years. Sometimes you get warmer weather than other years. Sometimes the fall like weather will linger longer.
We also do not get snow storms "most nights" for four months as you claim. Is that another one of your facts? I personally would prefer more months of snow so that I could extend the snowboarding season. But thats not the case.
If you prefer summer like weather, fine. But don't try to exaggerate because there are a couple months of cold weather.

It did snow 11 out of 30 days in april this year.THAT WOULD BE 36% OF THE MONTH. Also it is common for it to snow in may. May 21 & 22 2006 it snowed.Also the humidity of rochester is almost the same as most of florida.You just don't feel as much cause rochester is cooler.
History : Weather Underground

As side note, I already saw some fall foliage in the second week of august.

[AJNEOA]

Although it's not always common, October can get some bad weather. Look at what hit Buffalo and it's eastern suburbs last year:

October 2006 Snowstorm - Buffalo, NY pictures from storms photos on webshots

I also agree about the humidity. I thought Virginia was going to be a rude awakening for me. That was before I realized I was already hazed by the humidity in Rochester's summers throughout the years. It is just cooler.

[garmin239]

11 out of 30 days are not "constant snow storms" and that was just one year. And if you look at the amount of snow, it was not that much with most days being above freezing so nobody even saw most of the "snowy" days.
Judging by the site you posted its not common for it to snow in May. I just went back 5 years and you have 2 days in the past 5 years with snow in May.

[AJNEOA]

Originally Posted by garmin239

11 out of 30 days are not "constant snow storms" and that was just one year. And if you look at the amount of snow, it was not that much with most days being above freezing so nobody even saw most of the "snowy" days.

No offense, but the only person that said "constant snow storms" was you. I only said it frequently snows in April (on a year to year basis), and that Rochester does get snow storms.

[garmin239]

It gets alot of snow. Just not any in April or May (not significant at least).

[shibainu]

Originally Posted by garmin239

11 out of 30 days are not "constant snow storms" and that was just one year. And if you look at the amount of snow, it was not that much with most days being above freezing so nobody even saw most of the "snowy" days.
Judging by the site you posted its not common for it to snow in May. I just went back 5 years and you have 2 days in the past 5 years with snow in May.

Since 1940 to present it has snowed in may 42%. So to break it down. Since 1940 to 2007 equals 67 years and of those 67 year 28 of those year had a may month with a trace to 12 inches of snow fall. Compare that to a month like sept which in the past 67 years has only had 3 years.And in april only 1 year did not have snow fall at all so there is a 98% chance of snow for the month of april.
NWS Buffalo Climate Information - Rochester Monthly Snowfall (1940s)

so a 30 years of data on heating days in rochester shows the months in a ranking order.
1 jan
2 feb
3 dec
4 march
5 nov.
6 april
7 oct
8 may
9 sept
10 june
11 aug
12 jul
NNDC: Home Page

so july is the hottest month and Jan is the coldest. The two months we were talking about are in bold.

[bellafinzi]

Originally Posted by shibainu

Since 1940 to present it has snowed in may 42%. So to break it down. Since 1940 to 2007 equals 67 years and of those 67 year 28 of those year had a may month with a trace to 12 inches of snow fall. Compare that to a month like sept which in the past 67 years has only had 3 years.And in april only 1 year did not have snow fall at all so there is a 98% chance of snow for the month of april.
NWS Buffalo Climate Information - Rochester Monthly Snowfall (1940s)

so a 30 years of data on heating days in rochester shows the months in a ranking order.
1 jan
2 feb
3 dec
4 march
5 nov.
6 april
7 oct
8 may
9 sept
10 june
11 aug
12 jul
NNDC: Home Page

so july is the hottest month and Jan is the coldest. The two months we were talking about are in bold.

Do folks not living in the snowbelt even know what a trace of snow is like in real life?

Trace of snow = snow flurries for 5 minutes at 4 AM in the morning

A trace of snow is NOTHING. No one has ever shoveled a trace of snow. Plows do not come out to plow the roads for a trace of snow. A trace of snow is pretty light flakes slowly falling.... melting when they hit the ground.

[shibainu]

Originally Posted by bellafinzi

Do folks not living in the snowbelt even know what a trace of snow is like in real life?

Trace of snow = snow flurries for 5 minutes at 4 AM in the morning

A trace of snow is NOTHING. No one has ever shoveled a trace of snow. Plows do not come out to plow the roads for a trace of snow. A trace of snow is pretty light flakes slowly falling.... melting when they hit the ground.

A trace of snow is still snow. But I guess you did not look at that link. April and May in some years had more than a trace. I am talking about snow it does not matter the amount. The claim was that snow fall is uncommon in the month of april and may. But even if you remove the trace of snow in may it still gets more snow than in sept.
look at the link below and look at the snow map with you will see that we do get snow in april and may that is more than a trace.
Average High/Low Temperatures for KROC : Weather Underground

[shibainu]

New york state article

In real terms, property values have increased by 3 percent from 1970 to 2000 (excluding
New York City).14 For most regions, growth in the 1980s has offset declining property
values in the 1970s. While property values for cities have been fairly stable overall
during the 30-year period, there has (and continues to be) substantial variation between
regions. Cities in the Finger Lakes and Western New York Regions have decreased the
most in real terms, while property values in Capital Region and North Country cities have
grown from 1980 to 2000. The Western New York Region is the only region to
experience real declines in property values in each of the decades examined in this
analysis.
In constant dollars, property values have declined from 1970 to 2000 for each of the large
upstate cities, with Rochester experiencing the largest decrease (38 percent decline). As
outlined in the previous sections, this decline in property values coincides with
substantial population losses for these cities.
http://www.osc.state.ny.us/localgov/...pop_trends.pdf

Jobs

Rochester in 1990 had 505,187
1998 was the peak of 529,190
and last months was 511,238
so in 17 years we have had 6000 job gain. That is about 352 jobs a year or 29jobs a month.

buffalo
1990-556,379
2007 peaked -561,134
4,755 jobs in 17 years
Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NYEmployment Data

tommorrows job number will be interesting.