What are the worst areas of Rochester? (Webster, Portland: crime, neighborhoods)

[585WNY]

Ghetto mentality ≠ dangerous. There is a ton of ghetto mentality in the suburbs, just go look at any high school kid today.

[alw1964]

Sorry OP but I'm going to continue the thread stealing to talk about Ghetto etc.

I live in the Northeast on the east side of Culver (just over the Culver line). We tend to have more problems than our neighbors on the same street closer to Merchants and less than friends that live on the "other" side of Culver.

Because of my street name, I've had relatives not allow their children to babysit my kids. I've had people ask me if I feel safe. I've had people come to my house and say "my this is a nice neighborhood". It's all in perception versus reality. Like I've said before there are good hardworking people living in the all the neighborhoods of this city.

And yes there are lots of problems. I've been involved in PAC TAC, I helped start a neighborhood group in my neighborhood. I've yelled at drug dealers to move out. In the summer I sit on my porch. I do feel I live in a safe neighborhood because we took the time to get to know our neighbors. We know who does and doesn't live on the street. When one of our friends (and neighbors) was getting rid of some stuff from on Craig's list, he wasn't home when the guy came by to take the stuff which had been left on the curb. At least 4 different neighbors went up to the guy and asked who he was and what he was doing.

We have some kids on the "next" street that have issues. But rather than yelling at them I take the time to talk to them. They need air in their bike tires, I let them use my pump. I could give them a pump, but I want them to come by and talk to me. I used to walk my dog (who has since passed) all over the neighborhood and the kids and even adults got to know me because of the dog.

I just get frustrated with people talking about "good" and "bad" and this is ghetto and this isn't as we all have our own definitions.

That's all.... for now

[OverTaxedInNY]

LOL @ the thought that the only thing that makes an area ghetto is crime. If an area looks shady, down trodden, dirty, populated with ghetto people then that area is ghetto. I would consider most of DT (the core of DT at least) in its current state to be ghetto. But since I'm a generalizing racist, that might just be my own ignorant eyes shielding me from what's truly down here.

As far as the ghetto mentality not being directly tied to dangerous activity, that's true, but it also makes that person or group of people undesirable to general society, especially us ignorant and sheltered suburbanites who enjoy clean streets and people who show a sense of pride self worth. Just because they're not dangerous doesn't mean the rest of their actions are OK. If you want to be surrounded by a bunch of loudmouths sporting pants sagged down to under their a$$es, then that's cool, but I think you're in the minority there.

[alw1964]

Originally Posted by OverTaxedInNY

If you want to be surrounded by a bunch of loudmouths sporting pants sagged down to under their a$$es, then that's cool, but I think you're in the minority there.

Now I'm totally off topic but we've (my friends and I) have decided the way to cure this is to have "old people" saggin' day. Have all people over 40 sag for a day around these kids. Nothing they hate worse than old peple taking over their fashion statement and how scary we'd all look.

[garmin239]

Originally Posted by OverTaxedInNY

LOL @ the thought that the only thing that makes an area ghetto is crime. If an area looks shady, down trodden, dirty, populated with ghetto people then that area is ghetto. I would consider most of DT (the core of DT at least) in its current state to be ghetto. But since I'm a generalizing racist, that might just be my own ignorant eyes shielding me from what's truly down here.

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this is completely false, as are many of your other posts. Parts of downtown are gritty, but not shady. No more well or less kept than any suburban main road as far as dirtiness goes. Downtown is populated with many white collar people living in newer lofts and apartments being built. And the overwhelming majority of people downtown are white collar workers. The city school kids make up a small portion and are only there certain hours. You couldn't be more off base with your post.
At least your recognize your own ignorance.
I'm not quite sure you people know what a ghetto is. In order for a place to be a ghetto, there needs to be a large population base of poor people. Though downtown has some residents, it is mostly for business and pleasure. Since there aren't many residents compared to other parts of the city, it can't be considered ghetto/non ghetto.

[OverTaxedInNY]

Maybe the technical term of ghetto insists there must be a large base of poor people, but in modern times as a regularly used term, it essentially means a dump and someplace you'd rather not spend time in, residential or not. You remember how you told me I can't define "downtown" as I see fit? Well you can't define ghetto as you see fit. It's a two way street pal.

And please stop with the comparisons to the suburbs, they're so far off base and untrue that it hurts to read. And I laugh how almost every single rebuttal just has to include a mention of the suburbs. We're not talking about those areas, so just stop.

[garmin239]

Originally Posted by OverTaxedInNY

Maybe the technical term of ghetto insists there must be a large base of poor people, but in modern times as a regularly used term, it essentially means a dump and someplace you'd rather not spend time in, residential or not. You remember how you told me I can't define "downtown" as I see fit? Well you can't define ghetto as you see fit. It's a two way street pal.

And please stop with the comparisons to the suburbs, they're so far off base and untrue that it hurts to read. And I laugh how almost every single rebuttal just has to include a mention of the suburbs. We're not talking about those areas, so just stop.

I am not the one making definitions as I see fit. I am using the proper definition of the word. Aside from that, your assertions about downtown are not true and exaggerated like many of your other posts.
And yes I can compare the cleanliness of the suburbs to downtown as they are around the same. If you go to a heavily trafficked area such as Main street downtown and compare it to Ridge road in Greece or Jefferson road in Henrietta, they will have around the same amount of garbage.

[Corrion14621]

Originally Posted by A&M_Indie_08

If you want to act like someone with an agenda who might be working with the tourism bureau, then yes, your post makes sense....

If you want to get back to reality, then, I can honestly say you have no idea what you are talking about.

I know the city better than you... guaranteed.... and I am truthful about the problems and the level of poverty and ghetto mentality that is widespread throughout the city unfortunately. Main St East of Liberty Pole has lots of criminal activity, hustlers, drugs etc. By the way, also, what about the Cadillac...We'll just say that Downtown is very hit and miss

If you want to keep your head in the sand and try and convince us that the city is perfectly fine so you can rent houses to unsuspecting people by lying to them, then I hope you can live with yourself.

"You know the city better than me"…get real you think that downtown is dangerous which it is not. The liberty pole had problems because of the large volume of restless high-schoolers who passed through the area. A few high-schoolers fighting isn’t good but it doesn’t make the area a ghetto; second of all that one corner does not represent the entire downtown. Anyone whos bothered to go downtown in the past 30 years would know that. Or are you still sticking the argument that the public library and blue cross arena are dangerous (because both of those are west of the liberty pole)?

Some of the stuff you wrote is so off base I’m wondering if you’re a troll. I never said that the city was “perfectly fine” but by that same token 60% is not a ghetto.
Just b/c im not terrified of the city doenst mean that i'm a landlord trying to rent homes

BTW in your first post when you were describing “bad areas” half of the streets didn’t even add up. For instance 490/140 in Maplewood runs east/west and glide street runs north and south.

[A&M_Indie_08]

Originally Posted by Corrion14621

"You know the city better than me"…get real you think that downtown is dangerous which it is not. The liberty pole had problems because of the large volume of restless high-schoolers who passed through the area. A few high-schoolers fighting isn’t good but it doesn’t make the area a ghetto; second of all that one corner does not represent the entire downtown. Anyone whos bothered to go downtown in the past 30 years would know that. Or are you still sticking the argument that the public library and blue cross arena are dangerous (because both of those are west of the liberty pole)?

Some of the stuff you wrote is so off base I’m wondering if you’re a troll. I never said that the city was “perfectly fine” but by that same token 60% is not a ghetto.
Just b/c im not terrified of the city doenst mean that i'm a landlord trying to rent homes

BTW in your first post when you were describing “bad areas” half of the streets didn’t even add up. For instance 490/140 in Maplewood runs east/west and glide street runs north and south.

I am not terrified of the city, I am FROM the city, I grew up there.... It is worse than the vast majority of cities in America (with some exceptions of course)

Maybe you should point out to us what is "off base" that I wrote. The area 490 on the South 104 on the North, Glide on the West and lake on the East is almost exclusively ghetto... it makes sense and is true

You have no idea what you are talking about. The city is about 60% ghetto... get with reality

There are more bad parts of downtown than just the Liberty pole. You just bury your head in the sand and pretent they don't exist.

The media is full of crap and they have an agenda trying to draw people back to the city with lies. Some areas are decent but the bad areas have grown in area. I know the truth hurts, but instead of acting like everything is rosy, face reality and get involved in your community.

You can't face the problem while typing from Webster with ignorance

[Corrion14621]

Originally Posted by A&M_Indie_08

I am not terrified of the city, I am FROM the city, I grew up there.... It is worse than the vast majority of cities in America (with some exceptions of course)

Maybe you should point out to us what is "off base" that I wrote. The area 490 on the South 104 on the North, Glide on the West and lake on the East is almost exclusively ghetto... it makes sense and is true

You have no idea what you are talking about. The city is about 60% ghetto... get with reality

There are more bad parts of downtown than just the Liberty pole. You just bury your head in the sand and pretent they don't exist.

The media is full of crap and they have an agenda trying to draw people back to the city with lies. Some areas are decent but the bad areas have grown in area. I know the truth hurts, but instead of acting like everything is rosy, face reality and get involved in your community.

You can't face the problem while typing from Webster with ignorance

Ok I misread your post about glide st you just said it in a funny way.

You said that everything west of the liberty pole was dangerous which is not true. I gave you multiple examples of areas that are west of the liberty pole that are not dangerous ie: four corners, the dinosaur BBQ, the main library, city hall, and blue cross arena.
Do you think any of those are dangerous?

Also I would like to make a correction I live in 14621 not Webster. You can just cut all of that extra stuff your saying out. You keep talking about how “my head is buried in the sand” but you haven’t responded to my question and you have failed to prove any of your points.